FL Studio 21.1 released! - A disappointment in the making

[Carbonboy]

Making music is already fun but using a poorly designed DAW is not......

FL Studio is not poorly designed.

It now slaves to MIDI and has reduced jitter, better than Ableton in my tests

[xbitz]

Nevermind...

just saw your video


yepp, well, it's quite questionable why one would need to implement such a big and unwieldy monstrosity like MIDI into this....

[Teksonik]

It is valid as it was before... you just refuse to understand!

There is nothing to understand when you don't make a cogent point.

Stop talking and begin thinking... you talk about the "now" state... I am refering to how things were in the past as Gol made his decisions!

It is you who are failing to think as you're in blind defense of DAW mode. Unless you've discovered a way to time travel the past is irrelevant. Try to focus on the here and now. It's the only thing that matters....now.

You want to tell me that Cubase and others had a solid and accurate Midi timing in 1996???
Huge laughter!!

You want to tell me that people didn't make great music with MIDI in 1996? Huge laughter!!! The Atari ST that I used back then is still legendary for its MIDI timing even today.

factors of the huge success of FLS ...it´s rock solid timing

FL's timing is so wonky that it can't accurately capture a complex performance even at 192 PPQN. Any higher rates and it begins to be a CPU hog. Other DAWs default at 960 PPQN, some even higher without issue.

Midi and solid timing in the past were things which have never appeared in the same sentence in the 90´s other than talking about the lack of it.

I worked in a music store selling midi gear in the mid-late 80's and worked with many professional musicians who happily used MIDI without issue. But then they were professionals.

MIDI was such a powerful tool that it actually had a negative effect on musicians in Las Vegas. Back then all of the casinos had lounge acts, small room bands, and main room orchestras, all staffed with live musicians. MIDI allowed those casino companies to replace many of those musicians and in some cases all of them. So yea the issues you had are quite obviously due to your lack of ability.

It´s a thing now... but never forget that Gol for sure had never in mind that FLS evolves the way we see it now!

Exactly my point. His lack of foresight is the problem now. He was nothing but a boat anchor around the neck of FL development and we're all better off now that he's gone. Anyone who is not blinded by hero worship can understand that fact.

FL Studio is a great DAW but it's not perfect and anyone who thinks otherwise is simply a mindless sycophant.

I'll still keep using it for older projects but I've discovered another DAW that doesn't have the MIDI problems and weaknesses that FL does so I'm going to keep working more and more with it. Please feel free to keep using FL Studio but keep in mind that blind loyalty serves no one. It is those who bring up problems that are the drivers of progress. Without them FL Studio would still be Fruity Loops and a toy drum machine.

Anyway I'm done discussing this with you. I've wasted enough time on the subject. Let's all go make some music.

[Teksonik]

FL Studio is not poorly designed.

Yes it is. The detachment of MW, AT, and PB data from Note On/Off Velocity data is it's greatest weakness. If you don't understand what that means then you're not affected by that weakness.

If FL works for you then by all means carry on. I've found something better so I'm going to move on.

[sQeetz]

FL Studio is not poorly designed.

Yes it is. The detachment of MW, AT, and PB data from Note On/Off Velocity data is it's greatest weakness. If you don't understand what that means then you're not affected by that weakness.

Although I don't use FL anymore, I remember it being as simple as assigning those once, save as a template and from there on you have whatever you want assigned to whatever you want (by also making it global [so that it works with every plugin, every time] somehow, I don't remember the exact terminology).
edit: OMNI in the 'remote control settings' box

[Trancit]

It is valid as it was before... you just refuse to understand!

There is nothing to understand when you don't make a cogent point.

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We are running in circles here... I am out of this discussion... you just don´t want to understand... you just want to blindly hit around you and nearly everything you said about the past is a pure lie respectively taken out of context to suit your needs...

Have a good life!

[andypryce]

They are killing it with 21.2 Beta2
Stem seperation on playlist, Kepler Synth, AI Mastering

[xbitz]

seems just in time, https://musictech.com/news/gear/waves-online-mastering/

[Trancit]

They are killing it with 21.2 Beta2
Stem seperation on playlist, Kepler Synth, AI Mastering

And much more coming!

- Groups in Groups for the Playlist (and later on for sure in the new Mixer)
- Jupiter 8 besides Kepler (Juno 6)
- they teased already audio comping and more features in this regard (without being specific what exactly and when...)

It seems we have passed through the valley with a big amount of code "refreshing" and bigger features are dropping now again...

It seems FLS makes it to the top in regards of stock plugins in terms of analog emulations...

- stock Juno 6
- stock Jupiter 8
- stock 303
- stock Juno chorus
- stock Electro-Harmonix Small Stone Phase Shifter™ used by Jean Michel Jarre

In terms of native plugins FLS gets more and more harder to beat... some FX still need a few more and advanced features but the instrument section is already unbeaten by any other DAW out there...
37 Instruments + 2 new ones in the all plugins bundle including the best Slicer, the best additive synth, an additive synth with 6 billions (if I remember right) presets, 2 of the best FM synths, a very convincing 303, Juno 6 doesn´t sound bad either (but I am no expert in this), I guess the Jupiter 8 will not be worse, Flex with thousands of fresh sounds, physical modelling synths and drums...the Sampler... even if freaking great could need some overhaul though... but that´s already confirmed as well...
That´s already unbeatable for others...
When now the DAW itself gets "refreshed" with more modern features (and it´s already proven that they are doing so) it´s really just getting better and better...

[xbitz]

^^^ would like to watch a/the response video or/and your tierlist

[Dionysos]

- Groups in Groups for the Playlist (and later on for sure in the new Mixer)

Based on the extremely pre-alpha-looking screenshot they posted, that will 100% not make it into the upcoming .2 version.

[Trancit]

- Groups in Groups for the Playlist (and later on for sure in the new Mixer)

Based on the extremely pre-alpha-looking screenshot they posted, that will 100% not make it into the upcoming .2 version.

Not sure about it... I really hope it will make it into this version...

[Dionysos]

Not sure about it... I really hope it will make it into this version...

Well, that's… A disappointment in the making. Finally the name of the thread is paying off! Don't say you weren't warned.

[chk071]

FL Studio is not poorly designed.

Yes it is. The detachment of MW, AT, and PB data from Note On/Off Velocity data is it's greatest weakness. If you don't understand what that means then you're not affected by that weakness.

If FL works for you then by all means carry on. I've found something better so I'm going to move on.

Do you want to share what it is?

[bundoo]

im sure this is obvious - but why if i have a bunch of channels with sends and i want to make a bus for all of them while keeping their individual reverb sends etc do i have to reroute everything one by one? so convoluted. It should just route all to the bus and keep the individual sends.