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[Yadrichik_Chaya]

Meanwhile back in 2023, copyright is still the law.

And good-hearted people still share e-books, music, videos etc. to the best of their ability

[vurt]

Meanwhile back in 2023, copyright is still the law.

And good-hearted people still share e-books, music, videos etc. to the best of their ability

it's still called piracy.

[Yadrichik_Chaya]

Meanwhile back in 2023, copyright is still the law.

And good-hearted people still share e-books, music, videos etc. to the best of their ability

it's still called piracy.

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[Yadrichik_Chaya]

To me the world is so f**ked up when sharing music or whatever is considered piracy but universities all over the world + tons of online courses have no problem with teaching ”Ethical Hacking” and making it easily accessible to anyone…

Don't they understand the implications of this?!?

To say that they teach it so you can get a nice job at a large company and prevent cyber attacks is the most stupid thing ever. In a few years there will be millions of unethical idiots out there who will have the skills to ruin private peoples lives however they see fit. Who cares about companies???

They teach how to hack a phone and record the camera and mic without the owner knowing and many many other things!

https://www.udemy.com/course/ethical-ha ... fessional/

That is just one of many courses ^^^^^^^ where Social Engineering -Hacking Humans is taught…

Sure the big companies will get protection but hardly any people out there.

[Lind0n]

While I suspect the majority of the devs couldn’t be much bothered if you convert a library you bought and you keep it strictly for your personal use to play it another sampler, they may still have some serious concerns about a tool that, as a “side effect”, is removing a “layer of protection” from their work and enables easy copy/repackaging of the core of their work, which can then be redistributed (not legally, of course!), maybe even into competing products.

Well as a developer of sample libraries, in the past many of these for Kontakt, my experience of this sort of thing is in fact - if the "customer" is going to "share" the samples they are going to "share" the instrument as well - piracy for us has meant pirates taking everything in the product - kontakt instrument, presets, support videos and all the samples and pirating the whole thing. In fact I've never had any situation where the audio got pirated and the rest of the instrument didnt.

Why if your motivation is to share a "valuable" instrument would you "just" take the samples? Evil is much bigger than that. The NI proprietary format for audio didn't stop one instance of piracy for us, they just copied the audio "as is" and shipped it with the nki and the hacked version of Kontakt.

Of course porting the audio to an "open" format where the end user doesn't need Kontakt, and to do so in a "grey area" might make some people feel comfortable about using said audio, but I think what we are talking about here is people who dont have and dont want Kontakt (for whatever reason - tho usually financial) , or dont want to stay on the NI product set and and who are not out and out pirates.

But the truth here (for me) is its about the instrument, not just the sounds - porting the samples and their layout alone is, frankly, in 2023 denuding yourself of 90% of the value of a library - round robins, legato, keyswitching - the list goes on but suffice to say the sound set is no longer the core of the product.

There are a LOT of people out there who dont have Kontakt and want a viable alternative, but this porting of the sample maps isn't it I think. But you should take what I say with a grain of salt - I went with an alternative that does offer native versions of instruments to users and which does include a (at least partially) encrypted approach to the audio...so I might just be being smug.

[Yadrichik_Chaya]

[vurt]

Meanwhile back in 2023, copyright is still the law.

And good-hearted people still share e-books, music, videos etc. to the best of their ability

it's still called piracy.

Sharing is caring

id be all for some sort of robin hood, stealing food from supermarkets and redistributing it to those in need, that's helping people get what they "need".

music, is not a necessity and therefore sharing of other people's music, doesn't come under altruism, it's just theft.
no justification can change that.

[kidslow]

music, is not a necessity [...]

blasphemer

[Uncle E]

Of course porting the audio to an "open" format where the end user doesn't need Kontakt, and to do so in a "grey area" might make some people feel comfortable about using said audio, but I think what we are talking about here is people who dont have and dont want Kontakt (for whatever reason - tho usually financial) , or dont want to stay on the NI product set and and who are not out and out pirates.

FWIW, I haven’t seen sales for protected libraries being any better than unprotected libraries. People either want to pay or they don’t. Everything you said is spot-on and I’m not saying this to contradict you, just throwing it out there in case it’s useful information for anyone.

[Uncle E]

id be all for some sort of robin hood, stealing food from supermarkets and redistributing it to those in need, that's helping people get what they "need".

In the US, supermarkets give expiring food to food banks, who in turn distribute them to people on welfare. The ToneBoosters and Audio Damage free legacy products are kind of like that.

[vurt]

id be all for some sort of robin hood, stealing food from supermarkets and redistributing it to those in need, that's helping people get what they "need".

In the US, supermarkets give expiring food to food banks, who in turn distribute them to people on welfare. The ToneBoosters and Audio Damage free legacy products are kind of like that.

yup we have these too (sadly. can't believe they're a necessity in our nation's, we should be doing better) but i was just pointing out that for theft to be considered altruism, there has to be a real need, not just free music!

yes, those things are free, but with the copyright owners blessing. this is of course a different thing, if artist a says feel free to share my stuff, then it is all good!
otherwise, sharing on the internet is just plain theft.

[Yadrichik_Chaya]

Meanwhile back in 2023, copyright is still the law.

And good-hearted people still share e-books, music, videos etc. to the best of their ability

it's still called piracy.

Sharing is caring

id be all for some sort of robin hood, stealing food from supermarkets and redistributing it to those in need, that's helping people get what they "need".

music, is not a necessity and therefore sharing of other people's music, doesn't come under altruism, it's just theft.
no justification can change that.

I'm the opposite, to steal food no matter how noble the cause would just be plain wrong and unethical. What about those working at the supermarkets?
Should they not intervene if they saw a thief stealing food?
Imagine the stress for those working at supermarkets having to deal with those thieves. Or should these ”altruists” maybe walk around in the supermarkets with a ”Ethical Thief” badge? Then there would also be fake ”Ethical Thief” badges printed.

Nope I'm totally against it, even when helping those in need. Why?
Because those stealing the food would have to adopt the really unwholesome mindset of being a real thief and getting more and more skillful at stealing and not getting caught.

While I think sharing ripped albums on Youtube is not theft at all but I do agree that, as you put it ”music, is not a necessity”. Maybe that is why.

[vurt]

well, fyi piracy is against site rules.
nickin chicken ain't listed

[vurt]

apologies, just wanted to say nickin chicken.
but it is true too.

[Yadrichik_Chaya]

well, fyi piracy is against site rules.
nickin chicken ain't listed

And I'm not advocating piracy by any stretch by being thankful to be able hear great music from all over the world from the 60s/70s/80s/90s that otherwise few if any would have ever heard about.

That's even worse though that someone on this forum might brag how they went to a supermarket and stole 20 frozen pizzas but if I post a ripped japanese ambient album from 1993 from youtube I'll be banned? How sick.