Now this is a game changer - Bitwig, Presonus team up DAWProject

[zvenx]

https://www.bitwig.com/stories/bitwig-a ... AWproject)


rsp

[Double Tap]

Great idea. Sweepstake on when

Ableton Live
Logic Pro
Cubase
Pro Tools
Tracktion Waveform
FL Studio
Reaper

also allow their files to be shared

Bitwig and PreSonus are making it easy to share projects between programs
We know that many producers use multiple DAWs, but transferring projects between programs can be time-consuming or complex. That's why we teamed up with PreSonus to create a free, open, DAW-agnostic file format that allows you to save projects in one DAW and open them in another. This new DAWproject file format is as of today supported in Bitwig Studio (5.0.9) and Studio One (6.5).

[Double Tap]

Wow it's more comprehensive than I'd imagined.

Time Format (seconds/beats)
Beats and seconds can be combined

Audio
Audio Events/Clips
Fades
Crossfades
Amplitude
Pan
Time Warping
Transpose

Notes
Notes
Note Expressions

Automation
Tempo
Time Signature
MIDI Messages
Volume
Pan
Mute
Sends
Plug-in Parameters
Built-in Device Parameters

Plug-ins
Stores full plug-in state and automation of parameters (VST2, VST3, AU, CLAP)

Built-in Devices
Generic EQ
Generic Compressor
Generic Gate
Generic Limiter

Clip Launcher
Clips
Scenes

[chk071]

Not sure if it is a "game changer", but, surely nice for the (few) people who want to share projects between different DAWs.

[chk071]

Know what I'd much rather see? An open format for MIDI FX. Now that Steinberg obviously pushes the end of VST3, and developers can't implement all the stuff they have working in their VST2 MIDI plugins, and Steinberg arguing that the DAW should provide useful MIDI tools, I think it would be a great time for Steinberg to provide a plugin API which allows developers to develop MIDI plugins which don't have the limitations that VST3 obviously imposes on MIDI plugins.

Of course, they could also just provide all that in VST3, but, I'm not sure if they really want that.

[Double Tap]

Not sure if it is a "game changer", but, surely nice for the (few) people who want to share projects between different DAWs.

There is potentially another use, which is starting a project in one DAW and switching to another to use its features. For example, if this catches on then people could create something in Live and switch to, say, Cubase for mixing. Make a bunch of sounds in Logic using Alchemy. Use FL Studio's midi tool to compose a track. Start in Studio One, then switch to Bitwig to use their spectral tools, then move back again.

[chk071]

... for those who regularly use two or more different DAWs. I don't know how many people do that really.

[noiseboyuk]

... for those who regularly use two or more different DAWs. I don't know how many people do that really.

Actually I do - Cubase and PT (former for midi, tracking, arranging, latter for mixing). To be honest I think rendering out the audio is such a useful part of the process, I don't know how much this would help me personally.

But it's clearly better than AAF for those who have to send projects on or collaborate. It can't ever replace a DAW's own proprietary format, but as a better way of exchanging stuff - hurray. Here's hope it does catch on.

[chk071]

... for those who regularly use two or more different DAWs. I don't know how many people do that really.

Actually I do - Cubase and PT (former for midi, tracking, arranging, latter for mixing).

I get that. But, that was only one of the use cases stated. The other things don't really seem that common to me.

But, hey, it's not as if any DAW doesn't offer a lot more than most people use anyway. Features sell new versions.

[pikey]

Know what I'd much rather see? An open format for MIDI FX. Now that Steinberg obviously pushes the end of VST3, and developers can't implement all the stuff they have working in their VST2 MIDI plugins, and Steinberg arguing that the DAW should provide useful MIDI tools, I think it would be a great time for Steinberg to provide a plugin API which allows developers to develop MIDI plugins which don't have the limitations that VST3 obviously imposes on MIDI plugins.

Of course, they could also just provide all that in VST3, but, I'm not sure if they really want that.

CLAP is an open format that allows plugins to generate and process MIDI and act as only a midi fx - https://u-he.com/community/clap/

Currently Reaper and Bitwig are the big(ish) DAWs onboard with the format, so time will tell whether it becomes a de facto format or not.

[gnu23]

DAWProject looks promising but it's early days. Perhaps it can be addressed better in a standards body.

My cynical side says this looks like the old Microsoft "3E/EEE" strategy right now.

[Double Tap]

I'm sure the number of people who use two DAWs is pretty small, because why interrupt the workflow more than you need to?

Would they use more than one if swapping files didn't actually interrupt the workflow beyond closing one application and opening another - well, it's inevitably speculation, but those ^^ are some pretty good reasons why people might want to.

[zvenx]

If you colloborate or have your projects mixed elsewhere (which is still a pro tools dominated industry), for me that is where the game changer part lies.
If you are a hobbyist working in one DAW, or a professional that mixes your own stuff and rarely if ever colloborate with another producer elsewhere it will most likely be a non entity.
rsp

[chk071]

Know what I'd much rather see? An open format for MIDI FX. Now that Steinberg obviously pushes the end of VST3, and developers can't implement all the stuff they have working in their VST2 MIDI plugins, and Steinberg arguing that the DAW should provide useful MIDI tools, I think it would be a great time for Steinberg to provide a plugin API which allows developers to develop MIDI plugins which don't have the limitations that VST3 obviously imposes on MIDI plugins.

Of course, they could also just provide all that in VST3, but, I'm not sure if they really want that.

CLAP is an open format that allows plugins to generate and process MIDI and act as only a midi fx - <span class="skimlinks-unlinked">https://u-he.com/community/clap</span>/

Currently Reaper and Bitwig are the big(ish) DAWs onboard with the format, so time will tell whether it becomes a de facto format or not.

It's not an option for those using Cubase or Studio One. And, personally, I also frankly don't care one bit about another format. I want to see this in VST, or an extra format for MIDI FX, if Steinberg wants to go that way. I don't need yet another format.

[Digivolt]

I'm honestly surprised Studio One still lacks Clap support when it was listed as a collaborator, I guess they are saving it for version 7 ?