Now this is a game changer - Bitwig, Presonus team up DAWProject

[liquidsound]

If the intentions is to gain new users/customers, no one is going to jump ship for this.

Antithesis: People will be encouraged to use a 2nd DAW for certain things they like about it but are not willing to change their workflow in favor of the new one.

= Best of both worlds. With flawless DAW-/Project-hopping.

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Btw, FL Studio works as a VST. That's why I still use it. Only because of this (loading it in Ableton Live). That's sort of a merger of both DAWs ... to my satisfaction. If Reaper would jump on the DAWproject-train I'd be more than happy since I use it for tasks where Live sucks.

And that’s a Game Changer?
Not for the industry but for the few…

[elassi]

If the intentions is to gain new users/customers, no one is going to jump ship for this.

Antithesis: People will be encouraged to use a 2nd DAW for certain things they like about it but are not willing to change their workflow in favor of the new one.

= Best of both worlds. With flawless DAW-/Project-hopping.

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Btw, FL Studio works as a VST. That's why I still use it. Only because of this (loading it in Ableton Live). That's sort of a merger of both DAWs ... to my satisfaction. If Reaper would jump on the DAWproject-train I'd be more than happy since I use it for tasks where Live sucks.

And that’s a Game Changer?

I didn't use this term. You must have overlooked this while banging your forehead.

Btw, you shouldn't do this too often. Eventually, it causes severe damage to your precious brain.

[zvenx]

Game Changer was my term and I stand by it.
It is a game changer for me and those who work like me.
Nothing is a game changer for everyone.
CLAP was a game changer for some...for me? Personally/Professionally no. But does that mean I don't consider it a game changer?
I am not that arrogant or myopic.
rsp

[liquidsound]

If the intentions is to gain new users/customers, no one is going to jump ship for this.

Antithesis: People will be encouraged to use a 2nd DAW for certain things they like about it but are not willing to change their workflow in favor of the new one.

= Best of both worlds. With flawless DAW-/Project-hopping.

_____
Btw, FL Studio works as a VST. That's why I still use it. Only because of this (loading it in Ableton Live). That's sort of a merger of both DAWs ... to my satisfaction. If Reaper would jump on the DAWproject-train I'd be more than happy since I use it for tasks where Live sucks.

And that’s a Game Changer?

I didn't use this term. You must have overlooked this while banging your forehead.

Btw, you shouldn't do this too often. Eventually, it causes severe damage to your precious brain.

That was meant to be you after self realization

I’m glad it got clarified to the Personal rather than the Industry level which in turns would be millions of personal level game changer.

[pdxindy]

If the intentions is to gain new users/customers, no one is going to jump ship for this. Changing your DAW for this is insane.

Bitwig is my main DAW. Logic is my second DAW. I would love it if Logic supported this new format (DAW Project) because I would like to start a project in Logic (when I want to use certain features like Tempo Mapping) and easily bring it over to Bitwig.

I'm not going to stop using Bitwig as my main DAW, but I am now more likely to consider Studio One as my second DAW if it has functionality I would like to make use of because it will be easy to start in one and bring the project to the other.

And of course this is not a proprietary format only between Bitwig and Presonus. It is an open format developed by Bitwig that any DAW maker can use. Hopefully more developers will do so. It will benefit users.

[SLiC]

Bitwig and Studio One user That's my team! (Hopefully Live will also follow- can go PUSH Standalone to Studio One!)

[liquidsound]

If the intentions is to gain new users/customers, no one is going to jump ship for this. Changing your DAW for this is insane.

Bitwig is my main DAW. Logic is my second DAW. I would love it if Logic supported this new format (DAW Project) because I would like to start a project in Logic (when I want to use certain features like Tempo Mapping) and easily bring it over to Bitwig.

I'm not going to stop using Bitwig as my main DAW, but I am now more likely to consider Studio One as my second DAW if it has functionality I would like to make use of because it will be easy to start in one and bring the project to the other.

And of course this is not a proprietary format only between Bitwig and Presonus. It is an open format developed by Bitwig that any DAW maker can use. Hopefully more developers will do so. It will benefit users.

To go from Studio One to Bitwig it makes more sense that the other way around for sure. Too many unique tools in BW to leave behind when moving to another DAW unless you are trying to mix or master your project if BW is not up to task or not the ideal personal workflow for the job.

You mentioned Logic Pro in which you seems to be very familiar but to invest and learn another DAW for this?

Running a studio…. Naturally.

[stash98]

The genius of this would be if companies like elektron and Akai can put this into hardware. Suddenly getting a hardware project into the daw would be about seamless.

[muzicxs]

To go from Studio One to Bitwig it makes more sense that the other way around for sure.

You could start in Bitwig, go to Studio One for ARA support (e.g. work on vocals), and then back to Bitwig to wrap it up.

It's interesting to see that we might have a fluid transfer between these two DAWs that could open up new ways of tackling problems.

[Dionysos]

If the intentions is to gain new users/customers, no one is going to jump ship for this. Changing your DAW for this is insane.

It's not, and no one will, and no one said they would. Judging this for what it is right now is missing the point of the whole initiative – obviously sharing files between Studio One and Bitwig is neither the endgame nor what people consider a game changer.

It's seen as a potential game changer because if this gains wider adoption (yes, big if), it'll be a major benefit to users of all DAWs, whether they have an immediate use for it or not. The "freedom of movement" this enables would be a massive boon for the ecosystem and benefit end users first and foremost.

It's fine if you don't see this ever being useful to yourself, but your "no one will change DAWs for this lol" take is short-sighted.

[xbitz]

btw. Bitwig supports the PreSonus® FaderPort® 8/16 flawlessly, it even appeared in their official promo video

from 10:18

[apoclypse]

The genius of this would be if companies like elektron and Akai can put this into hardware. Suddenly getting a hardware project into the daw would be about seamless.

I can see Akai doing it. They have support for Ableton files already.

[liquidsound]

If the intentions is to gain new users/customers, no one is going to jump ship for this. Changing your DAW for this is insane.

It's not, and no one will, and no one said they would. Judging this for what it is right now is missing the point of the whole initiative – obviously sharing files between Studio One and Bitwig is neither the endgame nor what people consider a game changer.

It's seen as a potential game changer because if this gains wider adoption (yes, big if), it'll be a major benefit to users of all DAWs, whether they have an immediate use for it or not. The "freedom of movement" this enables would be a massive boon for the ecosystem and benefit end users first and foremost.

It's fine if you don't see this ever being useful to yourself, but your "no one will change DAWs for this lol" take is short-sighted.

As of now this is absolutely not even close to Game Change. At a personal level you can call it as you like.
I find CLAP way more of a Game Change and it will take, if at all, a freaking long time to be an industry relevant standard.
This one… I can see Studio One loosing to Bitwig and that is a game change to them for sure.
I know few Abletin users that made a final switch to Bitwig when it was possible to open Ableton projects in Bitwig. It’s not perfect but it made experimentation possible and they were able to add the Bitwig tools to their music and see the difference it made.

Here you can predict the same. The advantages are mostly for Bitwig.

[Dionysos]

Doesn't seem like you even read what I wrote.

[cptgone]

game changer. uh-huh. sure. this is a marketing gimmick. the utility value is _maybe_ useful for like .5% of DAW users. no games getting changed that I can see.

Sorry to repeat myself, but...

...this makes your projects more resilient/salvageable in case you [have to] switch DAWs (DAWs can get discontinued, or go Apple-only).

(Also, I don't see why you call it a marketing gimmick, it would be very low on the wish list of any person entering the DAW market, and can by definition not be claimed as unique selling proposition by any single DAW. I see it as the opposite: an open standard that, if implemented well by several DAWs, will benefit many consumers)