Studio One 6.5 Released!

[Vocalpoint Studios]

I guess it's something they've got in the bag now, in case it does blow up and becomes the norm. The way it's implemented certainly lends itself to the non-pro user and they've placed a lot of emphasis on the binaural headphones option which opens the door to everyone to 'have a play'.

It is very well implemented - especially if you do not really need it (yet) OR you just want to warm up to it (slowly).

That said - I think the pro user benefits too as it appears you can get right into "big commercial" work right out of the box.

The way it's done most definitely makes this whole thing much easier vs other ATMOS implementations I have seen. (which seem to be very painful to set up correctly).

Presonus used their time well.

VP

[Muziksculp]

Looking forward to S1Pro 7

Especially that they can focus on other improvements, new features, ..etc. now that the ATMOS - Surround features have been added in ver 6.5

[Vocalpoint Studios]

Looking forward to S1Pro 7
Especially that they can focus on other improvements, new features, ..etc. now that the ATMOS - Surround features have been added in ver 6.5

As long as you are patient - it will be great - but if history serves - expect late 2024-early 2025 for a v7.

V6 was only released one year ago today.

VP

[LawrenceF]

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[InLight-Tone]

Release Video...oh interesting video snapshot... I've been asking for Surround Sound for years on here. All they need now is clip launching and Studio One will have everything one could want in a DAW....(Well almost).

Agree on the Clip Launcher. They almost have it with the Live page...

[chk071]

Looking forward to S1Pro 7

Especially that they can focus on other improvements, new features, ..etc. now that the ATMOS - Surround features have been added in ver 6.5

v7 could be the Studio One I will upgrade to, from 4.6.

Only when the features are right though.

[Trancit]

...
Since then - there is a 'vocal" segment of the user base that has inexplicably bought into the idea that:

1. Every artist, band and music service in the world will soon "require" ATMOS mixes (and shouldn't ever bother releasing anything "in stereo" again)

2. That somehow Apple Music is suddenly relevant and their use of "spatial audio" suddenly "requires" every DAW in the world to need ATMOS (or you will never be able to upload anything to them again)

3. That major studios worldwide will start suddenly "using" Studio One because it has ATMOS OR are "purposely" avoiding it because of it's lack of ATMOS

4. That 99.99% of the entire music/film enjoying public knows exactly what ATMOS is and are demanding it to really really enjoy their music more...

5. That every active music fan out there must be rocking a true Dolby ATMOS certified studio or home theater and "need" S1 (with ATMOS) to feel complete.

Tbh... I consider these types of features as DOA...
Surround sound was always a nice idea but there are simply no customers for this...
Surround was just pushed by the movie industry and in cinemas it makes sense but for the private sector it´s nothing more than a nerving toy more trying to fight against it than enjoying it...

That some nerds are freaking out on this feature is one side... the reality is something completely different...
Most people (especially the younger generations) consume every kind of media just on crappy mobile devices which cannot even replicate stereo to it´s full potential not to speak from any surround nonsense...
So even if the nerds are crying and wanting more and more but the biggest question is for whom shall this type of music be created if 90% or more do not even listen to proper stereo??

For me it´s quite sad that often the complete nonsense feature requests get realized and so many usefull stuff delayed...

Just take this topic here as a proof...
Normally in a time span of 5 days a topic like this about the second biggest update in a S1 update circle would have at least 7, 8, 9 or more pages of comments... it was stuck on 3... with hardly any new post on this... imagine on a kind of these topics just 2 new posts on the complete september 29th..
That´s I think a good hint that most people couldn´t care less... the damage is done anyway... a .5 update is completely wasted to this topic so complaining doesn´t help anyway but again looking into the reality this update couldn´t be more senseless...

I do not have an immediate need for it in my work, but I am glad it's finally out there and hopefully some of these folks are happy.

Seems I am not quite so socially minded... I would have wished Presonus would have actually used their brains before jumping on a surround train which is actually dead since the very beginning...
What couldn´t break through in 30 years must simply be considered as dead and simply not working in reality even against the wet dreams of some people...

[lfm]

Tbh... I consider these types of features as DOA...
Surround sound was always a nice idea but there are simply no customers for this...
Surround was just pushed by the movie industry and in cinemas it makes sense but for the private sector it´s nothing more than a nerving toy more trying to fight against it than enjoying it...

That some nerds are freaking out on this feature is one side... the reality is something completely different...
Most people (especially the younger generations) consume every kind of media just on crappy mobile devices which cannot even replicate stereo to it´s full potential not to speak from any surround nonsense...
So even if the nerds are crying and wanting more and more but the biggest question is for whom shall this type of music be created if 90% or more do not even listen to proper stereo??

For me it´s quite sad that often the complete nonsense feature requests get realized and so many usefull stuff delayed...

Film=cinema and home theater
Gaming=PC and consoles

These are huge markets for surround. And a good thing for daws to cover.
- but those areas need decoders in listening end

Music listening not so major unless targeting phones listeners.

I got some Sony surround phones 5 years ago or so, and those are fully based on spatial processing to normal one speaker each ear.
- so you can do binaural processing over to normal stereo to get surround feel
- but incoming audio must be some dolby or dts surround

I think Atmos allow to make final product in binaural normal stereo with spatial not needing that specific decoder in listening end, but not 100% sure.
- there is an app for Xbox you have to buy, so probably not
- Dolby 5.1 used to need an app too, but now integrated into Xbox

Using Wavearts Panorama 7 though, you can easily place a couple of tracks/instruments more like behind you for effect when listening in phones. No need to do full mixes in surround.

When watching film, gaming and watch live concerts on DVD/BD of various artists I use surround phones a lot. When well made it really brings something extra. More like being there.

The only thing missing still for phones is processing that places audio right in front of your nose, just as you have physical speakers and sound is right there in front of you.
- all phones stuff expand up through your forehead otherwise

And what is still weird about surround is the special modes like, cinema, gaming and sports giving different delays in listening situation, and also differences in eq somehow. They sound quite different and I find that gaming sounds the best for music.

So don't think surround mixing is obsolete in any way for a daw.

Main thing missing in StudioOne as feature is supporting sysex handling. Very useful with a lot of external midi gear. The year I ran StudioOne I had to do plenty workaround to init external gear with various tunings and setup stuff.
- very practical to just record a synth preset on a track at beginning for a preset and not worry about which preset was used on a track.

But showstopper in StudioOne for me was how all midi CC/NRPN/RPN is converted to automation and not only sent where recorded as a node, but also becomes a starting value for each of them at beginning of a clip.
- doing real time recording turning knobs and stuff makes it unusable
- there is no way to remove a starting value
- it's is not even possible to delete a certain CC entirely, I had to move midi clip over to Sonar to remove, and then back

I asked Presonus support just now if this is fixed as all other daws do it, that converting to automation is optional.
- they just said I could run trial and find out for myself
- but that just told me, this is not fixed

[jamcat]

Lock Pan to Channel doesn't seem to be loading correctly in 6.5.
If you have a send set to "Lock Pan to Channel" in a saved song, it won't be locked (and you'll see the skinny pan slider at the bottom of the Send effect.) You can select "Lock Pan to Channel" and the slider will go away, but it will be back again next time you open the song.

[Trancit]

Film=cinema and home theater
Gaming=PC and consoles

These are huge markets for surround. And a good thing for daws to cover.
- but those areas need decoders in listening end

Huge market??
They make what part of the complete music industry?? 1%...or less?
From this 1% or less how many are using S1 for that?? Again less than 1%??

For cinemas I already stated it´s a valid option... yes...
Home theater...? How many of you have a dolby surround home theater at home?? 1 out of 10.000?? Huge market??

When I see people gaming... they use mostly headphones not huge dolby surround systems... Again: huge market??

I think Surround is being hyped by the very few people enjoying it who are thinking that nearly everybody would have a proper system at home... and this in nowadays times couldn´t be more wrong... Mobile devices are nearly everything what counts and there we don´t have to talk about any surround...

Music listening not so major unless targeting phones listeners.

I was carefully listening to what creativesauce was demonstrating about dolby rendering in headphones in S1...

What a joke! This shall revolutionize the future... ridiculous!
Noone of the kids out there will give a sh*t about that! But they are your future clients!

I stay with my previous statement... Surround sound was with some very niche exceptions dead from the very first beginning and so are this new toys in S1...

6 days after this topic was created and the new version released we are still on page 4 of this thread ... so actually nobody really cares... for very good reasons imho...

Think what you want... as said the damage is made already anyway... no way to bring back the wasted development time for something useful...
I said what I wanted to say... I am out...

[lfm]

Maybe you are right about numbers.

I have about 200 live concert DVD/BD's and just a handful don't have Dolby 5.1 tracks to listen to also.

Maybe 100 films on DVD/BD same thing.

Haven't checked out all tv-series I have on DVD/BD since I stopped watching tv 10 years ago. But 1000's of hours for sure, and most of those productions but the oldest have Dolby 5.1 and DTS.
- every episode produced have music, every scene has music
- some productions are for streaming services, but many come on disc as well.

All this produced with video and audio vs audio alone as cd/mp3/vinyl, cannot say for sure.
- think it's more than 1 production of 100
- I think it's enough to say huge market for surround.
- that does not mean it's the biggest market share

How many have home theater?
- with bigger flatscreens many consider that theaterish
- it does not have to be projector size screen
- the more also get surround bar or speakers too or phones to get extra immersive experience

I found this comparing market share windows, mac, linux
https://www.statista.com/statistics/218 ... windows-7/

and yet they release a Linux version?
Mac has a good share compared to pc on multimedia and graphic industry.
- but Linux?

Maybe it's about expectations about the future as well?
- have a good position for StudioOne as well
- don't rule out StudioOne because of film score too

If with only one extra speaker behind you and can create maybe 12 channels with modern technology to really feel in the movie.
- 3 speakers and the rest math to position audio

Don't know if this exist yet. It would take less space and used in more homes. Looking at home theater with physical speakers really is a mess.

Manufacturers try to market many things, 3D tv and whatnot that never took off either.

[Trancit]

I have about 200 live concert DVD/BD's and just a handful don't have Dolby 5.1 tracks to listen to also.

Maybe 100 films on DVD/BD same thing.

Haven't checked out all tv-series I have on DVD/BD since I stopped watching tv 10 years ago. But 1000's of hours for sure

Don´t forget... you are a technique nerd... you are busy with synthezisers and all other technical equipement... you are for sure not the average consumer!

, and most of those productions but the oldest have Dolby 5.1 and DTS.
- every episode produced have music, every scene has music
- some productions are for streaming services, but many come on disc as well.

And would be they have been just a tiny bit worse if they wouldn´t have surround sound??

I can tell only that...
I ripped of all of my movies to be able to treat the audio to get rid of the typical surround effects like very silent dialogs... and... LOUD NOISES

and yet they release a Linux version?
Mac has a good share compared to pc on multimedia and graphic industry.
- but Linux?

This:

Maybe it's about expectations about the future as well?
- have a good position for StudioOne as well
...

With the anti privacy games both other platforms are playing I call this a great move and I think with Linux will happen the opposite than with surround...
While surround will die away even more and more will Linux get a huge jump ahead once people have finally understood what MS and Apple are doing...

[Vocalpoint Studios]

It would take less space and used in more homes. Looking at home theater with physical speakers really is a mess.Manufacturers try to market many things, 3D tv and whatnot that never took off either.

Exactly.

Unless you have a dedicated space, the cash and the ability to outfit your home with the real Dolby Certified ATMOS speaker array that is required to enjoy this - it is literally DOA - for the average consumer .

Let's get real - here in 2023 - the "average" consumer is probably now finally made a full transition to a reasonably decent flat screen, home theater soundbar and most likely uses HD on their cable boxes.

But if anyone out there believe that ATMOS is "mainstream" - here is my key performance indicator (from the real world): When my wife actually uses the word "ATMOS" (correctly) in a sentence referring specifically to multichannel, immersive sound for a movie or audio playback - then (and only then) will it really be mainstream.

We (the sound junkies in this forum) represent 0.00001% of the actual world population who knows what this is or what it's for. And that's about as far as it's gojng to go for a long long while.

VP

[vurt]

ooh, surround sound, nice!

[runagate]

ooh, surround sound, nice!

More exciting, in a way, is that the built-in binaural 3D allows one to compose in surround without actually having a bunch of speakers all over, something I've done in my own jerry-rigged way for at least 15 years and I greatly appreciate these updates.

My first surround mixes which you heard way back in the day were mixed in a tiny employee cabin in a fjord of Alaska using a Radio Shack 5.1 system... the 3D routing using an Alesis keyboards "infrared Theremin MIDI" things, which is also how I automated multiple parameters on vocal fx chains to make "synth leads". I wish I had the FL project for one of them, it's still one of my favorite solos I've recorded