Now this is a game changer - Bitwig, Presonus team up DAWProject

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2. Other DAWs might not want to implement this format because they don't want you to move to another DAW! You might like the 'other' DAW and completely ditch theirs.

The whole point is it's more convenient for collaborations. And anyhow, if someone left DAW X for DAW Y, the reverse could also happen so it doesn't hurt other developers to implement DAWp.

There is another point also! If you have mainly your 3rd party plugins, do you care a lot about moving to another DAW?
For example, I have 3rd party plugins for mixing and mastering that more than enough in Bitwig, do I need to move to S1 just for mixing and mastering? The workflow advantage might be not so convincing to move to another DAW.

Again, DAWp is more about making things convenient for collaborators using different DAWs. It has nothing to do with you needing another DAW although, should you decide another DAW has it's high points, DAWp makes transfering files easier should both have that feature

[machinesworking]

If you have mainly your 3rd party plugins, do you care a lot about moving to another DAW? For example, I have 3rd party plugins for mixing and mastering that more than enough in Bitwig, do I need to move to S1 just for mixing and mastering? The workflow advantage might be not so convincing to move to another DAW.

You move between DAWs for features that are non existent or poorly implemented. Digital Performer here has articulation mapping, movie scoring, a dozen track automation types, advanced MIDI editing, a more complex linear arrangement workflow (which 100% lends itself to mixing and mastering), count in options, metronome options, and it's about twice as lean in terms of plug ins.
OTOH DP doesn't have fast modulators, an advanced Launcher, probability settings, a built in Drum rack, or anything like the Grid to name a few.

I started projects in Live for years, then at times would get frustrated enough during the composing process to move things over to Logic or DP. The modern composing DAWs like Bitwig and Live IMO are great, but they aren't really built for surgical editing and mastering in mind, or film scoring, scoring to tabs, or even for using with a guitar to write with (the lack of count in as an option beyond recording in both DAWs for instance, that no one seems to complain about?).

So for specific uses Bitwig is fantastic, for other uses it's like wading through mud, (and Live is even more guilty of that), but! for other specific uses they're so much more straightforward than than the old format kitchen sink DAWs like Studio One, DP, Logic, Cubase etc. that it makes them much more fun to use.

[carrieres]

Or when I started working, early 2000, the CEO of Alcatel, then world leader in Optic Fibre saying : " naahhh I don't believe in this internet shit, we should stop this activity immediately"...

The worst is the layoff of 100000 people and the value of market share from 100 to 30 €

[Double Tap]

The point about the format making it easier to abandon a DAW is absolutely valid and I’m sure that’s been part of the debate. I think the gamble would be that even if it’s easier to leave, it would also be easier to come back. You’d have to have the philosophy that you’re confident that you’re continually improving your DAW so people will want it. Anyone wanting to trap their user base would have to have some very very high barriers and they just aren’t because eventually everyone starts a new song, and plugins are portable.

[EnGee]

You have good points there machinesworking

Yes, the modulation system and the clip launcher are great tools in Bitwig that personally I miss in Cubase. In Logic, although there is the clip launcher, but I still miss how easy it is to modulate the instruments and effects in Bitwig.

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The point about the format making it easier to abandon a DAW is absolutely valid

So before DAWp it was extremely difficult to switch to another DAW. Gotcha.
Yeah. Bitwig and Presonus came up with a format to make it easier for users to abandon them. Makes total sense.

[Double Tap]

The point about the format making it easier to abandon a DAW is absolutely valid

So before DAWp it was extremely difficult to switch to another DAW. Gotcha.
Yeah. Bitwig and Presonus came up with a format to make it easier for users to abandon them. Makes total sense.

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[liquidsound]

This is finally getting interesting!

A *real* game changer would be a DAW that can change it's theme appearance every few minutes.

Probably Reaper with some scripts? ? ?

[machinesworking]

This is finally getting interesting!

A *real* game changer would be a DAW that can change it's theme appearance every few minutes.

Probably Reaper with some scripts? ? ?

I immediately think of some nutjob writing a script that has Reaper changing theme every 30 seconds!

[machinesworking]

You have good points there machinesworking

Yes, the modulation system and the clip launcher are great tools in Bitwig that personally I miss in Cubase. In Logic, although there is the clip launcher, but I still miss how easy it is to modulate the instruments and effects in Bitwig.

Logic and DP both miss massive parts of the Clip Launching experience. I've literally only used clips in DP to modulate automation etc, which it's pretty cool for, but in both there is no separate conductor track for Clips, so you cannot change tempo from a clip, and in DP the default is to have an empty clip slot not stop the previous clip, in Logic it's the opposite. In both cases it's not anywhere near as useful as the way Live and Bitwig deal with it with track stop built right into Clips. There's nothing like Follow Actions either.

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A *real* game changer would be a DAW that can change it's theme appearance every few minutes.

Probably Reaper with some scripts? ? ?

Reaper can do anything so it doesn't count. Heck there are users who made Reaper video games (I'm not kidding about that).
It would be more imprressive if, say, Live clips flashed on and off in different colors akin to lights on a christmas tree. That's not changing themes but still.

[EnGee]

Logic and DP both miss massive parts of the Clip Launching experience. I've literally only used clips in DP to modulate automation etc, which it's pretty cool for, but in both there is no separate conductor track for Clips, so you cannot change tempo from a clip, and in DP the default is to have an empty clip slot not stop the previous clip, in Logic it's the opposite. In both cases it's not anywhere near as useful as the way Live and Bitwig deal with it with track stop built right into Clips. There's nothing like Follow Actions either.

Well, I must admit that I haven't used Logic clips launcher other than just few minutes testing, so I don't know exactly what is missing from Bitwig, but anyway I found Bitwig easier to use (clips launcher), on the other hand, the arrangement workflow in Logic is amazing (also Cubase) compared to Bitwig/Live (I don't have Live anymore, so just Bitwig, Logic and Cubase mainly).

Yes, I think it would be great if they add this format to Cubase and Logic! I think it would be easier to make it in Logic because the clips in the clip lanucher also can be transferred, not only the arrangement as it is now with S1.

[syntonica]

2. Other DAWs might not want to implement this format because they don't want you to move to another DAW! You might like the 'other' DAW and completely ditch theirs.

Users will ditch the DAW if they DON'T implement this format. Besides, the company already has the user's money. If they want their upgrade fees, they need to add value.

[EnGee]

I'm more optimistic than pessimistic! So, I hope other DAWs will implement this format, especially its not called Syphilis or other sexual disease

[pdxindy]

The point about the format making it easier to abandon a DAW is absolutely valid and I’m sure that’s been part of the debate. I think the gamble would be that even if it’s easier to leave, it would also be easier to come back. You’d have to have the philosophy that you’re confident that you’re continually improving your DAW so people will want it. Anyone wanting to trap their user base would have to have some very very high barriers and they just aren’t because eventually everyone starts a new song, and plugins are portable.

I'd guess the posters in this thread have pontificated far more about DAW Project than the developers ever have across its whole life.

They likely did about as much as, hey, you think this would be useful? Yes, let's do it!