KVR Audio

Psuper · Post by **Psuper** » Wed Sep 06, 2023 3:26 pm

I've spent more on hardware and VST's than should be allowed, and yet my pro Vital is my goto synth everytime, all the time.

sokoleski · Post by **sokoleski** » Fri Sep 22, 2023 5:54 pm

Has this become : Apple Silicone Native..?

Many thanks in advance

Weasel-Boy · Post by **Weasel-Boy** » Sat Oct 14, 2023 8:11 pm

Just a heads up for anyone that cares: Matt Tytel has ghosted his own product forum for almost a year now. I wouldn't be holding my breath for news or updates for Vital any time soon.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat Oct 14, 2023 8:54 pm

Weasel-Boy wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 8:11 pm Just a heads up for anyone that cares: Matt Tytel has ghosted his own product forum for almost a year now. I wouldn't be holding my breath for news or updates for Vital any time soon.

I found a post from him from April this year though? https://forum.vital.audio/t/matt-are-you-ok/11866/68

Also, it looks like he posts regularly on his Discord. Seems all less dramatic than people make it (once again).

God forbid what would happen if devs wouldn't sometimes post on forums or on social media these days.

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Sat Oct 14, 2023 10:27 pm

chk071 wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 8:54 pm God forbid what would happen if devs wouldn't sometimes post on forums or on social media these days.

God forbid people want a product they paid for to be bug free. There are still issues with 1.5.5 regularly reported at Matt's own company forum that he has failed to address going on a year and he's still selling that buggy plugin, apparently without remorse. If he has time to post on Discord then he has time to post on his own company forum.

Then there is what he promised to people who subscribed (he is also still selling the subscription plan):

Vital 101423.png

Has he delivered on any of that? You have been following the story all this time right?

When you accept money for a product you then own your customers a working product and a reasonable level of support. If you can't or won't provide those then you need to stop selling that product and go out of business. Period.

That's not "drama" that's a simple fact of business.

EnGee · Post by **EnGee** » Sat Oct 14, 2023 11:01 pm

It is a very popular synth now. I think it would be not wise to just let it die with time! There should be a plan for version 2.0 already!

Anyway, for me, I don't feel I want to use it because of its development inactivity. I prefer to use other wavetable synths because they have active development and updates.

Bartone · Post by **Bartone** » Sat Oct 14, 2023 11:43 pm

I do enjoy Vital - but it has some drawbacks.

When Vital came out, I was planning to buy Serum. But I ended up purchasing Vital, since it seemed very promising and the developer (Matt) seemed to be very enthusiastic about the synth.

I did demoed Serum very much, and I think it has some benefits over Vital (even though it is very old synth). But Serum's developer seems to be very active in his forums - even after all these years he is still keeping communication alive. Keeping the synth very much alive. I think that is really great and gives more hopeful feeling about Serum's future. I do compare Vital to Serum since Vital was say to be the Serum killer.

I still enjoy Vital. But I do worry how will happen with the bugs etc. And if there will be new version and new bugs will the dvelopment be on hold again for a long time without bug fixes...

EnGee · Post by **EnGee** » Sun Oct 15, 2023 12:09 am

I think for those who paid nothing, they are fine mostly as they consider it free, but for those who paid for the plus and pro licenses, they are expecting more than now. In short, if I knew it would be like this, I wouldn't have bought it. (something is telling me there is a grammatical error in my if statement

)

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Sun Oct 15, 2023 12:33 am

Bartone wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 11:43 pm I do enjoy Vital - but it has some drawbacks.

When Vital came out, I was planning to buy Serum. But I ended up purchasing Vital, since it seemed very promising and the developer (Matt) seemed to be very enthusiastic about the synth.

I did demoed Serum very much, and I think it has some benefits over Vital (even though it is very old synth). But Serum's developer seems to be very active in his forums - even after all these years he is still keeping communication alive. Keeping the synth very much alive. I think that is really great and gives more hopeful feeling about Serum's future. I do compare Vital to Serum since Vital was say to be the Serum killer.

I still enjoy Vital. But I do worry how will happen with the bugs etc. And if there will be new version and new bugs will the dvelopment be on hold again for a long time without bug fixes...

Nothing can kill Serum. Period!

Jac459 · Post by **Jac459** » Sun Oct 15, 2023 2:37 am

EnGee wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2023 12:09 am I think for those who paid nothing, they are fine mostly as they consider it free, but for those who paid for the plus and pro licenses, they are expecting more than now. In short, if I knew it would be like this, I wouldn't have bought it. (something is telling me there is a grammatical error in my if statement )

As a non-native, I can't help you on the grammar part

but I do agree with you on the disappointment. I don't regret buying it because it is still a great synth but it feels like the potential is not fully reached...

stoopicus · Post by **stoopicus** » Sun Oct 15, 2023 4:45 am

liquidsound wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2023 12:33 am Nothing can kill Serum. Period!

The idea of any synth killing another is simply silly. They are all good tools. Serum is a great synth despite being old.

Besides, Phase Plant is the Serum killer

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:15 am

stoopicus wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2023 4:45 am
liquidsound wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2023 12:33 am Nothing can kill Serum. Period!
The idea of any synth killing another is simply silly. They are all good tools. Serum is a great synth despite being old.

Besides, Phase Plant is the Serum killer

Mission Impossible!

Jac459 · Post by **Jac459** » Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:17 am

stoopicus wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2023 4:45 am
liquidsound wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2023 12:33 am Nothing can kill Serum. Period!
The idea of any synth killing another is simply silly. They are all good tools. Serum is a great synth despite being old.

Besides, Phase Plant is the Serum killer

Phase Plant is the everything killer... From a rational point of view, it has everything...

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:25 am

Jac459 wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:17 am
stoopicus wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2023 4:45 am
liquidsound wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2023 12:33 am Nothing can kill Serum. Period!
The idea of any synth killing another is simply silly. They are all good tools. Serum is a great synth despite being old.

Besides, Phase Plant is the Serum killer
Phase Plant is the everything killer... From a rational point of view, it has everything...

And there are things that have everything… but… that’s all they have

Jac459 · Post by **Jac459** » Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:32 am

liquidsound wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:25 am
Jac459 wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:17 am
stoopicus wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2023 4:45 am
liquidsound wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2023 12:33 am Nothing can kill Serum. Period!
The idea of any synth killing another is simply silly. They are all good tools. Serum is a great synth despite being old.

Besides, Phase Plant is the Serum killer
Phase Plant is the everything killer... From a rational point of view, it has everything...
And there are things that have everything… but that’s all they have

I agree... It is also about the general feel, how fun it is to use, etc.
If you take extremes, Synthmaster 2 is a beast, the UI has nothing wrong but somehow it isn't very fun to use. On the opposite side you have Twin 2 by Fabfilter. A limited VA, with great filters but very few features. Yet is it a joy to use and play with...

Phase Plant is a bit in between.

But one of the major criticism on phase plant was what BONES was saying about the filters. It was a bit limited (or at least unpractical) when they were only in the FX lanes.
The fact that it can now be attached to the oscillators is a big deal.
It brings Phase Plant one league up... A league I don't see a lot of synths being... We can argue on Falcon or Omnisphere but then the fun factor is very low on those 2 (IMHO).

Vital - Released