Minimal Audio Current…subscription

[DizzlerMusic]

I hope they add a convolution reverb soon to it, i dont like their standard reverb too much, you get the same sound every time. Once you can load your own IRs into your convolution reverb, you can really make your sound unique. Im glad Phaseplant has one now

[MADMANJ]

i dont like their standard reverb too much, you get the same sound every time.

I feel the same, the reverb is mediocre, it has many knobs but none of them make it sound the way I want a reverb to sound. Overall I was very excited about the synth yesterday but now I played more in-depth with it but sound-wise it just lacks the quality from Serum and some features are missing like for instance a modulator matrix. On the other hand Current has more features than Serum, but it has some big competitors like Pigments, Phase plant or Equator 2. I was hoping for features that would more distinguish this synth compared to others on the market. For me at this moment it is not worth the 200,- . I would pay half for it or maybe if the synth is developed more it would be a fair price for me. But I have to compliment the developer because they did a great job on their first synth and it's promising for the future.

[foosnark]

Price is the norm. Subscription ONLY for a plug-in is not.
If you can’t understand the difference it means that the universal pushback it has received is something you can’t comprehend.

Speaking of comprehension, maybe go back and exercise a little reading comprehension. Because I never said that subscriptions were the norm, and I never said it was a good idea.

I 100% agree with the pushback against the subscription. They made a poor choice, andd it bit them. And then they changed their position.

I 100% disagree with the idea that Minimal Audio was somehow deceitful about it.

And I remain skeptical about the "YouTubers are always told the price" thing. That's not the norm in hardware. If it is standard in software, why didn't the YouTubers ask about it, instead of shooting and editing video and posting it and then claiming they were bamboozled?


I think people reacted in frankly ridiculous ways. I don't want all the devs to think "wow, this community is just one nasty toxic slime pit full of entitled children, I'm going to quit making music software and take a boring 9-5 development job instead where people don't insult me and send death threats."

[liquidsound]

Price is the norm. Subscription ONLY for a plug-in is not.
If you can’t understand the difference it means that the universal pushback it has received is something you can’t comprehend.

Speaking of comprehension, maybe go back and exercise a little reading comprehension. Because I never said that subscriptions were the norm, and I never said it was a good idea.

I 100% agree with the pushback against the subscription. They made a poor choice, andd it bit them. And then they changed their position.

I 100% disagree with the idea that Minimal Audio was somehow deceitful about it.

And I remain skeptical about the "YouTubers are always told the price" thing. That's not the norm in hardware. If it is standard in software, why didn't the YouTubers ask about it, instead of shooting and editing video and posting it and then claiming they were bamboozled?


I think people reacted in frankly ridiculous ways. I don't want all the devs to think "wow, this community is just one nasty toxic slime pit full of entitled children, I'm going to quit making music software and take a boring 9-5 development job instead where people don't insult me and send death threats."

You just said that it is common (very rarely to give them as you put it) no to give prices and then you listed some YouTube videos out of a billion videos
And I wrote that Subscription ONLY for a synth is not common (right?), which indicates that your videos are not a demonstration that MA didn’t do anything unusual. On the contrary, the did!
Comprehension…

[Ah_Dziz]

I'm curious how these decisions are made. I think it's mostly a very poor idea of how many customers actually make a living off of using these plugins and how many are just doing things as a hobby/fun.

[foosnark]

You just said that it is common (very rarely to give them as you put it) no to give prices and then you listed some YouTube videos out of a billion videos

Feel free to watch the other 999,999,996 videos then if this is important to you, and come back with your results.

Frankly I think I've wasted enough time on this bullshit thread and this is my last post about it.


The Make Noise Spectraphon release was a big deal in the Eurorack world, but it was pretty typical. First, there were teasers from Make Noise themselves. Then the actual product was announced, along with its price, and where you could pre-order it. On that same day and over the next few days, several pre-release demo videos came out from various YouTubers. None of them mentioned the price, nor needed to. But those YouTubers had the module in their hands and had shot and edited their videos before the price was announced.

People are acting as if that's somehow deceptive...?

And I wrote that Subscription ONLY for a synth is not common (right?), which indicates that your videos are not a demonstration that MA didn’t do anything unusual.

Subscription only for a synth is not common, we agree on that. It's also massively unwelcome in the market, and we agree on that.

The videos I posted were NOT some kind of attempt to claim that "MA didn't do anything unusual." Again, I am referring only to the bit where people think that not informing YouTubers was itself deceptive.

And again, if it's standard practice to talk about prices with YouTubers and they didn't do it, and it's somehow seen as "wrong" to not do it... the YouTubers could have asked, or refused to work with them. Instead, apparently they waited until the public outcry and then claimed they were bamboozled. That just doesn't track.

[liquidsound]

You just said that it is common (very rarely to give them as you put it) no to give prices and then you listed some YouTube videos out of a billion videos

Feel free to watch the other 999,999,996 videos then if this is important to you, and come back with your results.

Frankly I think I've wasted enough time on this bullshit thread and this is my last post about it.


The Make Noise Spectraphon release was a big deal in the Eurorack world, but it was pretty typical. First, there were teasers from Make Noise themselves. Then the actual product was announced, along with its price, and where you could pre-order it. On that same day and over the next few days, several pre-release demo videos came out from various YouTubers. None of them mentioned the price, nor needed to. But those YouTubers had the module in their hands and had shot and edited their videos before the price was announced.

People are acting as if that's somehow deceptive...?

And I wrote that Subscription ONLY for a synth is not common (right?), which indicates that your videos are not a demonstration that MA didn’t do anything unusual.

Subscription only for a synth is not common, we agree on that. It's also massively unwelcome in the market, and we agree on that.

The videos I posted were NOT some kind of attempt to claim that "MA didn't do anything unusual." Again, I am referring only to the bit where people think that not informing YouTubers was itself deceptive.

And again, if it's standard practice to talk about prices with YouTubers and they didn't do it, and it's somehow seen as "wrong" to not do it... the YouTubers could have asked, or refused to work with them. Instead, apparently they waited until the public outcry and then claimed they were bamboozled. That just doesn't track.

Great. We agree on the main topic.
If I’m not mistaken Dash didn’t published the original video without the disclaimer, if so, he was the straight one, no MA.
MA move was absolutely wrong and intentionally carried out.
Feel free to be pure of heart toward MA, but the majority has been able to see it different than you.

I understand you feel it’s better to live in a better world and so it is better for you to see it the way you do.
My blessings then. Good for you.

[midi sentinel]

You just said that it is common (very rarely to give them as you put it) no to give prices and then you listed some YouTube videos out of a billion videos

Feel free to watch the other 999,999,996 videos then if this is important to you, and come back with your results.

Frankly I think I've wasted enough time on this bullshit thread and this is my last post about it.


The Make Noise Spectraphon release was a big deal in the Eurorack world, but it was pretty typical. First, there were teasers from Make Noise themselves. Then the actual product was announced, along with its price, and where you could pre-order it. On that same day and over the next few days, several pre-release demo videos came out from various YouTubers. None of them mentioned the price, nor needed to. But those YouTubers had the module in their hands and had shot and edited their videos before the price was announced.

People are acting as if that's somehow deceptive...?

And I wrote that Subscription ONLY for a synth is not common (right?), which indicates that your videos are not a demonstration that MA didn’t do anything unusual.

Subscription only for a synth is not common, we agree on that. It's also massively unwelcome in the market, and we agree on that.

The videos I posted were NOT some kind of attempt to claim that "MA didn't do anything unusual." Again, I am referring only to the bit where people think that not informing YouTubers was itself deceptive.

And again, if it's standard practice to talk about prices with YouTubers and they didn't do it, and it's somehow seen as "wrong" to not do it... the YouTubers could have asked, or refused to work with them. Instead, apparently they waited until the public outcry and then claimed they were bamboozled. That just doesn't track.

You will hurt yourself with all that mental gymnastics.

Be careful.

[Choikdoi]

I think people reacted in frankly ridiculous ways. I don't want all the devs to think "wow, this community is just one nasty toxic slime pit full of entitled children, I'm going to quit making music software and take a boring 9-5 development job instead where people don't insult me and send death threats."

Sorry for repeating myself, but it keeps coming up...

There were no death threats made. The post was: "It is extremely painful to wake up and read abuse here and even in my personal DMs, wishing for myself to starve and fail, over a product which yesterday, no one even owned", before ending that message with "Alright, now please continue to make me want to die lol." Although, the last part has since been edited out of the original post.

Only took one person to ridiculously interpret that as a 'death threat'.

[PieBerger]

If I’m not mistaken Dash didn’t published the original video without the disclaimer, if so, he was the straight one, no MA.
MA move was absolutely wrong and intentionally carried out.

Dash is a friend and I can confirm that he became aware of the licensing model after making the content but before the original video was scheduled to go live and he added in the disclaimer at the last minute, before it went out. You can join his public Discord server and confirm it all yourself, should you/anyone else wish to do so

Whether it was intentional or not, MA done f'ed up regardless

[liquidsound]

If I’m not mistaken Dash didn’t published the original video without the disclaimer, if so, he was the straight one, no MA.
MA move was absolutely wrong and intentionally carried out.

Dash is a friend and I can confirm that he became aware of the licensing model after making the content but before the original video was scheduled to go live and he added in the disclaimer at the last minute, before it went out. You can join his public Discord server and confirm it all yourself, should you/anyone else wish to do so

Whether it was intentional or not, MA done f'ed up regardless

That’s what though. He’s been very open and honest with the community. For MA it will be virtual tattoo I’m afraid.

[THE INTRANCER]

Here's an interesting video about this plugin. The comments, well there were a lot of them and they really told MA.

[ghettosynth]

You guys look like you could use some refreshment. I've made a round of delicious fruity drinks for you...enjoy!

[liquidsound]

You guys look like you could use some refreshment. I've made a round of delicious fruity drinks for you...enjoy!

is that RTO “currant” juice?

[Minimal Audio]

Hey everyone -- I'm not totally caught up on everything here -- but here's a couple responses for avoid further anger.

If my trial doesn't auto-cancel and they convert to RTO, I will be quite pissed

Please cancel your plan. -- you can cancel the trial during any point and you still have access until the end of the 30 day free trial, if you're planing to cancel, please just do so at any point, you will still have the full 30 days. There are a large number of people now using Current, and we can't simply brick them all and ask them to sign back up for what is essentially the same plan with more benefits, the plans will roll over to RTO.

but they politely asked me to wait when I asked how to cancel it

I think you may have misunderstood, it seems you got the same response many others did directing them to more information about the new pricing. We had many hundreds of email about pricing, but we have never asked anyone to not cancel for any reason, cancelling takes two clicks from your account page and is very easy, and doesn't apply until the end of your period.

but I still dont see the problem with just adding Paypal as an option. Why Minimal Audio?

The Subscription / RTO plan doesn't currently support PayPal, but our perpetual products all support PayPal. -- If you're interested in using PayPal it will be available when the perpetual plan is added. The reasons it doesn't currently support PayPal is simply because PayPal is very difficult to work with for subscriptions, and everything we have is custom built, we'll need more time to do integrations with PayPal for pricing plans.

isn't arcade a subscription?

No one really commented on this but I saw it in the thread and thought it would be worth mentioning, that yes it is, and I was heavily involved in its development full time from it's start until it's release when output was a startup. This past experience and success of this product clouded my judgement.

Was this all a big marketing plot?

No -- of course not, we have no marketing staff at Minimal Audio just a couple part time friends who help out with social media and blog posts. I am a plug-in dev, who also is passionate about graphic design, web, and sound design. We have no funding or board who forced this, we just made a mistake by not doing any sort of research.

To those that have eased off on us and can see we are trying, we appreciate you. To those that are unhappy with the options we're moving toward, please feel free to wait until we release the official plan or cancel until it is crystal clear for you. We are doing our best to make all these changes as quick as possible. What I can confidently say is that any money you spend with minimal audio, will be applicable to perpetual licenses of all of our products, regardless of the time you signed up.