Same here, love the sound the most, no other synths sound that huge and strong, but browser bug and sync bug are such a dealbreakers. Feels like everyone recording it live or with the smallest buffer, since no one else complaining about syncing
Xhun Audio RawPrime : an original synthesis concept, established on... Aliasing (on purpose) !
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- KVRist
- 275 posts since 12 Jan, 2016
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- KVRist
- 275 posts since 12 Jan, 2016
BTW, just upgraded several days ago in hope for the future fixes, also looking at the Whole preset pack bundle, but with that browser bug...JerGoertz wrote: Wed Oct 25, 2023 4:07 pm but didn't upgrade last time because it sounded like the preset browsing/saving bug still wasn't fixed
- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1228 posts since 17 Feb, 2010
Ok, let's try to move the first steps in order to define what this Device actually is...
As well as for the Yamaha OP- / YM- chips, in this Device all starts with a "wavetable" stored in memory.
Note : I said "wavetable", not "multi-dimensional wavetables". It means a single waveform stored in memory. Remember, we have to stay cheap as in 1976 !
Or better, YM- had a 8-bit "quarter of sine wave period" stored, and it reconstruct a sine wave period by recombining it 4 times, resulting in a 9-bit, full period wave.
But the similarities with YM- stop here. Yamaha uses 2 of that sine wavetables in phasemod (or additive) in order to generate partials.
Instead the Device uses two (7-bit, full period) sine wavetables (separately) in a different, original fashion...
Let's start from the... top. What's possible to achieve with this new synthesis approach ?
Here are two preliminary examples of what this Device is able to produce.
The most important thing to consider here is :
- the first audio demo uses only 2 sine waves to produce the entire bass line.
- the second audio demo instead uses only 1 sine wave to produce each voice.
Both audio demos use a delay processor (included). Audio demo A makes use of the analog filter (included).
Audio demo A : Using only 2 sines per voice (#1 voice in total, monophonic)
https://soundcloud.com/xhunaudiorawprim ... -mega-bass
Audio demo B : Using only 1 sine per voice (#2 voices in total, polyphonic)
https://soundcloud.com/xhunaudiorawprim ... -it-simple
As well as for the Yamaha OP- / YM- chips, in this Device all starts with a "wavetable" stored in memory.
Note : I said "wavetable", not "multi-dimensional wavetables". It means a single waveform stored in memory. Remember, we have to stay cheap as in 1976 !
Or better, YM- had a 8-bit "quarter of sine wave period" stored, and it reconstruct a sine wave period by recombining it 4 times, resulting in a 9-bit, full period wave.
But the similarities with YM- stop here. Yamaha uses 2 of that sine wavetables in phasemod (or additive) in order to generate partials.
Instead the Device uses two (7-bit, full period) sine wavetables (separately) in a different, original fashion...
Let's start from the... top. What's possible to achieve with this new synthesis approach ?
Here are two preliminary examples of what this Device is able to produce.
The most important thing to consider here is :
- the first audio demo uses only 2 sine waves to produce the entire bass line.
- the second audio demo instead uses only 1 sine wave to produce each voice.
Both audio demos use a delay processor (included). Audio demo A makes use of the analog filter (included).
Audio demo A : Using only 2 sines per voice (#1 voice in total, monophonic)
https://soundcloud.com/xhunaudiorawprim ... -mega-bass
Audio demo B : Using only 1 sine per voice (#2 voices in total, polyphonic)
https://soundcloud.com/xhunaudiorawprim ... -it-simple
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1228 posts since 17 Feb, 2010
FM/Phasemod synthesis is *NOT* involved in any way with this unreleased Device/synthesis method.
Here an example of a clavinet-like patch. Four voices polyphonic, each voice produced using only two sine waves.
https://soundcloud.com/xhunaudiorawprim ... -clavprime
Here an example of a clavinet-like patch. Four voices polyphonic, each voice produced using only two sine waves.
https://soundcloud.com/xhunaudiorawprim ... -clavprime
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1228 posts since 17 Feb, 2010
Ahah, it's the same thing I noticed yesterday, while making some presets !
I'm just talking about the *flavor* of certain presets, reminding early samplers... not its architecture / synthesis method.
Indeed the Device does *NOT* use samples or wavetables at all. Just one single-cycle wavetable of a 7-bit sine wave. Plus... some magic stuff I'll explain later.
Not time yet for the full details - usually I make a post here every time I write a section for the manual, so I can keep track of everything and I don't forget anything.
I'm just talking about the *flavor* of certain presets, reminding early samplers... not its architecture / synthesis method.
Indeed the Device does *NOT* use samples or wavetables at all. Just one single-cycle wavetable of a 7-bit sine wave. Plus... some magic stuff I'll explain later.
Not time yet for the full details - usually I make a post here every time I write a section for the manual, so I can keep track of everything and I don't forget anything.
- KVRAF
- 4061 posts since 24 Oct, 2000 from A Swede Living in Budapest
Example B grabbed my attention. Very nice!
Neon City for u-he Repro - 80s pop & Synthwave soundbank
HARDWARE SAMPLER FANATIC - Akai S1100/S950/Z8 - Casio FZ20m - Emu Emax I - Ensoniq ASR10/EPS
HARDWARE SAMPLER FANATIC - Akai S1100/S950/Z8 - Casio FZ20m - Emu Emax I - Ensoniq ASR10/EPS
- KVRAF
- 3638 posts since 21 Nov, 2015
So will this have some good Oversampling?
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1228 posts since 17 Feb, 2010
Well, this is a hybrid D/A design Device.
Yes, oversampling is applied to some specific (mostly analogue) components but... "oversampling" is not the key point here, definitely. This could lead to a misconception about what the Device is.
This Device is *NOT* a simple synthesizer producing aliased tones/sounds.
This Device 100% produces sound *exclusively* by using aliasing tones/partials.
What you hear in the Example A, Example B, Example C audio demos is not a wavetable with its aliasing, or a multisample with its aliasing, or a generated waveform with aliasing, etc.
What you hear is produced *entirely* by "pure" aliasing only.
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- KVRAF
- 3638 posts since 21 Nov, 2015
This was actually meant as a joke.
But will we have control over Jitter?
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1228 posts since 17 Feb, 2010
Ah, ok - sorry for not understanding
Some jitter is there as a consequence of how it's made, but there will be no End-User control over it (= no jitter amount knob).
It is built as a late 1970s device - so in that case "jitter" is a bad thing you probably don't want to mention either. It's there but you don't want End-Users have any control on it.
Some jitter is there as a consequence of how it's made, but there will be no End-User control over it (= no jitter amount knob).
It is built as a late 1970s device - so in that case "jitter" is a bad thing you probably don't want to mention either. It's there but you don't want End-Users have any control on it.
- KVRAF
- 3638 posts since 21 Nov, 2015
I am not so sure about this but can also understand it, in this case.
Looking forward to try it out and in hearing some more examples.
Looking forward to try it out and in hearing some more examples.
You can be creative in any right place on Earth, and not only in the wealthiest cities. Bring the world feelings from everywhere, and not only feelings of capitalistic or jail environment.
― Aleksey Vaneev
https://linuxdaw.org
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https://linuxdaw.org
- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1228 posts since 17 Feb, 2010
Yes, things like "changing the jitter amount" go beyond the context of this synthesizer and do not represent a vantage in this case (also in terms of the sound produced).El°HYM wrote: Sat Oct 28, 2023 1:49 pm I am not so sure about this but can also understand it, in this case.
I want to stay focused on the device context. The User Interface (and its parameters) will mimic a hardware synthesizer : a clear arrangement, all in plain seight.
It has been a little bit difficoult to accomplish that, since there will be no less than 80 knobs on the panel ! But now all has been placed correctly and the Device has the very compact look and feel I was looking for.
Its look reminds an Apple II or Amiga 500 or Atari ST in terms of "compactness".
- KVRAF
- 3638 posts since 21 Nov, 2015
You can be creative in any right place on Earth, and not only in the wealthiest cities. Bring the world feelings from everywhere, and not only feelings of capitalistic or jail environment.
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