Black Rooster Audio releases the VTC-2 Vintage Tube Compressor

[jens]

Honestly: It’s NOT.

That may be a matter of opinion - but at the very least you keep flogging the dead horse like you were getting paid for it, which is quite tiresome, to say the least.

[BlackRooster]

Honestly: This is trolling - we made our point. We are not Universal Audio employing a trillion developers. And yet, we are working on it. This whole discussion should be about the plug-in and its sound & interface. Our customers don't buy formats, but state-of-the-art DSP. We would really appreciate, if we could shift from repeatedly commenting on VST3. Everything has been said, and we DID GET IT. Thank you!

Honestly: It’s NOT. You’re promising VST3 support since forever, but it looks like you have some bigger priorities than Cubase users. I’m using Cubase and can’t really discuss a plugin that isn’t supporting my DAW no matter how much I’d like to. Before calling my dissatisfaction trolling I was also interested in your VLA-3A since May 2022, but after seeing your attitude I think that I’ll be looking for some alternatives.

Viele Grüße,
Equisonus

There is no bad attitude behind that. It is just - why don't people respect an honest answer anymore? I have made it super transparent, that this company is not in the position economically to compete with the development pace of the big players, partly because the big players permanently ruining the market with their $1.90 sales. In addition - the expectations towards smaller software developers are somewhat unreal - and I feel, that this is also coming from a bias towards small companies based on how large software companies operate. But one can simply not compare both types of company, especially when one type is aiming and capable of destroying the other type.

I am not whining, but I want to illustrate and have you understand, that the decisions made and strategies planned within small software companies can easily be compromised or even wiped out by the tiniest situations such as employees leaving, new technologies, or bad campaign timing, etc. Things, that large companies are immune to or that don't have that much of an effect for them. For us, with the current situation and all those fancy fusions and hyper-sales with 110% discount, it is getting tough to plan ahead other than RELEASES RELEASES RELEASES.

So instead of having people complaining the trillionth time about our shitty VST2 only situation, one could simply support a brand with actually testing their plugins, posting reviews or even buying from them, to have them actually compete and allow for the next generation of plugin developers to make a dime!

[jens]

But what about CLAP support?






Sorry, couldn't resist...

[audenso]

Honestly: This is trolling - we made our point. We are not Universal Audio employing a trillion developers. And yet, we are working on it. This whole discussion should be about the plug-in and its sound & interface. Our customers don't buy formats, but state-of-the-art DSP. We would really appreciate, if we could shift from repeatedly commenting on VST3. Everything has been said, and we DID GET IT. Thank you!

Honestly: It’s NOT. You’re promising VST3 support since forever, but it looks like you have some bigger priorities than Cubase users. I’m using Cubase and can’t really discuss a plugin that isn’t supporting my DAW no matter how much I’d like to. Before calling my dissatisfaction trolling I was also interested in your VLA-3A since May 2022, but after seeing your attitude I think that I’ll be looking for some alternatives.

Viele Grüße,
Equisonus

There is no bad attitude behind that. It is just - why don't people respect an honest answer anymore? I have made it super transparent, that this company is not in the position economically to compete with the development pace of the big players, partly because the big players permanently ruining the market with their $1.90 sales. In addition - the expectations towards smaller software developers are somewhat unreal - and I feel, that this is also coming from a bias towards small companies based on how large software companies operate. But one can simply not compare both types of company, especially when one type is aiming and capable of destroying the other type.

I am not whining, but I want to illustrate and have you understand, that the decisions made and strategies planned within small software companies can easily be compromised or even wiped out by the tiniest situations such as employees leaving, new technologies, or bad campaign timing, etc. Things, that large companies are immune to or that don't have that much of an effect for them. For us, with the current situation and all those fancy fusions and hyper-sales with 110% discount, it is getting tough to plan ahead other than RELEASES RELEASES RELEASES.

So instead of having people complaining the trillionth time about our shitty VST2 only situation, one could simply support a brand with actually testing their plugins, posting reviews or even buying from them, to have them actually compete and allow for the next generation of plugin developers to make a dime!

I’m sorry to hear that the move to VST3 is not economically feasible at the moment. Hoping that you get through the bad economic situation well and one day we see VST3 support.
The intention of my post was only to accentuate on the importance of VST3 support as I see it and hoped that adding another mention of the format will further encourage you to prioritize this matter. It wasn’t to troll you. But now that I see that it’s simply not that possible I respect your decision.

[Agreed]

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[midi_transmission]

Honestly: This is trolling - we made our point. We are not Universal Audio employing a trillion developers. And yet, we are working on it. This whole discussion should be about the plug-in and its sound & interface. Our customers don't buy formats, but state-of-the-art DSP. We would really appreciate, if we could shift from repeatedly commenting on VST3. Everything has been said, and we DID GET IT. Thank you!

Honestly: It’s NOT. You’re promising VST3 support since forever, but it looks like you have some bigger priorities than Cubase users. I’m using Cubase and can’t really discuss a plugin that isn’t supporting my DAW no matter how much I’d like to. Before calling my dissatisfaction trolling I was also interested in your VLA-3A since May 2022, but after seeing your attitude I think that I’ll be looking for some alternatives.

Viele Grüße,
Equisonus

There is no bad attitude behind that. It is just - why don't people respect an honest answer anymore? I have made it super transparent, that this company is not in the position economically to compete with the development pace of the big players, partly because the big players permanently ruining the market with their $1.90 sales. In addition - the expectations towards smaller software developers are somewhat unreal - and I feel, that this is also coming from a bias towards small companies based on how large software companies operate. But one can simply not compare both types of company, especially when one type is aiming and capable of destroying the other type.

I am not whining, but I want to illustrate and have you understand, that the decisions made and strategies planned within small software companies can easily be compromised or even wiped out by the tiniest situations such as employees leaving, new technologies, or bad campaign timing, etc. Things, that large companies are immune to or that don't have that much of an effect for them. For us, with the current situation and all those fancy fusions and hyper-sales with 110% discount, it is getting tough to plan ahead other than RELEASES RELEASES RELEASES.

So instead of having people complaining the trillionth time about our shitty VST2 only situation, one could simply support a brand with actually testing their plugins, posting reviews or even buying from them, to have them actually compete and allow for the next generation of plugin developers to make a dime!

No idea how complicated this framework update is and if will be applied to all plugins automatically. And no idea if it would be accepted by users or is financially reasonable. But I would pay the price of a plugin for a framework update of all plug-ins easily. Let's call it a 2.0 version.

Lets say with manual oversampling from 0x-16x besides the current auto oversampling as a default. Zero latency (0x) and super low aliasing (8x, 16x) can both be great to have.

VST3 support backported to a version 1.0 to make everyone happy (actually just using the 2.0 version minus the new other enhancements).

You could also add a equal loudness workflow to the list.

I'm very grateful that we have all these smaller, super customer friendly audio devs which often have even a better quality than the big ones. The audio world would be different without them, not to our advantage. Full support.

[Agreed]

Just want to take a moment to thank Black Rooster for doing great work for some years now. I've been very glad to support y'all and I know I've got my money's worth for the plugins (got 'em all up to this release). Your customer service has been kind and helpful any time I've had an issue or a question. I have much positive feeling toward your brand and you have earned it.

I hope I can phrase this with the right sensitivity. I do worry when you talk, it seems like for maybe a couple years now, about financial struggles, to be honest. Don't get me wrong, I respect that you are being candid and I respect that the circumstances are challenging in the general plugin market. But I become concerned, not the least of which reason because these are call & response authorized and in the back of my mind there is a fear there... If y'all are struggling that bad for too long, eventually you go to use them and can't authorize. Like I said, I have bought all of your plugins so far, and believe me, I hate to talk so candidly about such a dire possibility in the face of a new product release that should be mainly a fun/exciting time. Just felt a need to express a concern as a big fan.

Certainly I hope for the best possible outcome and that things will be great behind the scenes for Black Rooster as a company and its many happy users will enjoy a happy mutually beneficial relationship for a long time to come.

Anyway. I am downloading this to check it out now, let y'all know how I find it!

[jens]

Agreed!

(Now that was really an opportunity that was impossible to resist )

[Agreed]

Haha, I made this username in the early 2000s when I was like 15, back on an old forum that's on its last legs these days. It's been more than half my life at this point of having people pun on the handle. I take it as a compliment, that I say such smart and agreeable things

[jens]

And it's true (well, certainly this time)

[TBlake]

does this one have the fade in when it starts like other BRA plugs???

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

I've got a few problems with this plugin, none of which are VST3 related. They are:

1. Not an EQ plugin
2. No "hardware designer working with BR at each step of the process"
3. No machine learning involved
4. Does not cost $150 at intro

[whassup]

Now I am actually interested in the plugin. Too many compressors. But fun. Getting demo.

Edit:
No Demo?

[4damind]

Sounds very interesting, the new compressor!
However... Steinberg already announced in January 2022 that there will be no more support for VST2 within the next 24 months.... So VST2 is obsolete and VST3 is mandatory today. If I understood correctly, the native Cubase version on macOS no longer supports VST2 (VST2 only works under Rosetta 2).
So... VST3 must definitely come very soon.

[briefcasemanx]

Only on KVR would this thread devolve completely into port begging, continuing well after the developer has already given update info on the ports, with no one talking about the compressor.