HALion 7

[WasteLand]

has Halion 7 per voice effects?

Not exactly, but a program can have a layer, a layer can have a bus and a bus can have an FX module. Then you can have a bus on the program, which will apply to all layers inside the program.

Using this structure you can effectively make it so there are per sample effects.

real per voice effects, i.e. polyphonic effects, after long searching, i got a straight answer; no.
it hasn't per voice effects.

and it has also no modulation for FX parameters.

still it is a thing of beauty, i am still considering it, to buy it. even it has these drawbacls (Falcon 3 has per voice effects, as has Phase Plant, and of course MSoundFactory. to name some).

[felis]

While lfo's 1 and 2 are polyphonics, the FX aren't.

You can most definitely modulate FX parameters in many ways though.
Just right click any of the knobs on any FX to bring up a modulation menu.

[Jac459]

has Halion 7 per voice effects?

Not exactly, but a program can have a layer, a layer can have a bus and a bus can have an FX module. Then you can have a bus on the program, which will apply to all layers inside the program.

Using this structure you can effectively make it so there are per sample effects.

real per voice effects, i.e. polyphonic effects, after long searching, i got a straight answer; no.
it hasn't per voice effects.

and it has also no modulation for FX parameters.

still it is a thing of beauty, i am still considering it, to buy it. even it has these drawbacls (Falcon 3 has per voice effects, as has Phase Plant, and of course MSoundFactory. to name some).

Why buy Halion if you have Falcon? (Just curious)

[Stranger Eyes]

Why buy Halion if you have Falcon? (Just curious)

Unless you are heavily invested in UVI's "Vintage Vault" sample libraries, there is absolutely no reason to even keep Falcon. It has probably the most convoluted architecture of any software sampler (and that's saying A LOT given what an inscrutable POS Kontakt is).

HALion is also way more complicated than it needs to be. But at least it's mostly understandable. I swear, the only software sampler most people need is TAL Sampler. If you are just doing your own basic sampling and sample instrument building then TAL Sampler is probably the fasted and easiest way to get there.

If you need a massively complex software sampler with advanced scripting, round robin sampling, etc. then Kontakt is still probably your best bet simply by virtue of the number of third party libraries available for it.

But as a Falcon owner, I can tell you that it's simply god-awful. I would use HALion 7 (which I also own) over Falcon 3 any day.

[Jac459]

Why buy Halion if you have Falcon? (Just curious)

Unless you are heavily invested in UVI's "Vintage Vault" sample libraries, there is absolutely no reason to even keep Falcon. It has probably the most convoluted architecture of any software sampler (and that's saying A LOT given what an inscrutable POS Kontakt is).

HALion is also way more complicated than it needs to be. But at least it's mostly understandable. I swear, the only software sampler most people need is TAL Sampler. If you are just doing your own basic sampling and sample instrument building then TAL Sampler is probably the fasted and easiest way to get there.

If you need a massively complex software sampler with advanced scripting, round robin sampling, etc. then Kontakt is still probably your best bet simply by virtue of the number of third party libraries available for it.

But as a Falcon owner, I can tell you that's it's simply god-awful. I would use HALion 7 (which I also own) over Falcon 3 any day.

I love Falcon hehe .
But I don't consider it a Sampler.
It is more like a meta instrument.

[Stranger Eyes]

I lover Falcon hehe .
But I don't consider it a Sampler.
It is more like a meta instrument.

A lot of people feel that way. So who am I to tell them otherwise? It's entirely possible that I just don't get it.

I absolutely don't want to get into an argument with you. But don't you think all of Falcon's non-sampling "synth" engines are pretty lackluster compared to the competition? There aren't any synth oscillators in Falcon that I would use over dedicated synthesis engines in other plugins.

On the one hand, I suppose it's cool that Falcon offers all of these different synthesis types in one instrument. But if they don't sound good, then what's the point? To me, all of these different oscillators just complicate what could be an excellent, easy to use software sampler.

Falcon seems like a "jack of all trades, master of none." It's total bloatware, IMO, that makes the instrument far harder to use than it needs to be.

[Jac459]

I lover Falcon hehe .
But I don't consider it a Sampler.
It is more like a meta instrument.

A lot of people feel that way. So who am I to tell them otherwise? It's entirely possible that I just don't get it.

I absolutely don't want to get into an argument with you. But don't you think all of Falcon's non-sampling "synth" engines are pretty lackluster compared to the competition? There aren't any synth oscillators in Falcon that I would use over dedicated synthesis engines in other plugins.

On the one hand, I suppose it's cool that Falcon offers all of these different synthesis types in one instrument. But if they don't sound good, then what's the point? To me, all of these different oscillators just complicate what could be an excellent, easy to use software sampler.

Falcon seems like a "jack of all trades, master of none." It's total bloatware, IMO, that makes the instrument far harder to use than it needs to be.

Well I see where you are coming from in terms of usability, it is definitely not the best workflow.

On the oscillators quality I am quite fine with them but it is true that I rarely use falcon for synthesis except if I want very complex sounds. I find the stretching algorithms very very good though.

Overall , I love the presets quality in Falcon and the excellent support of UVI.
Also some soundbanks are awesome like quadra for example.

From what I have seen in halion, the UI seems better than Falcon even if not at the same level than a phaseplant for example.

But I am a bit put off by the limitations discussed here like the lack of modularity. That's why I am very interested to know what you like about halion.

It is not to say one is better than the other but more to evaluate if it fits my needs.

[Stranger Eyes]

I swear, the only software sampler most people need is TAL Sampler. If you are just doing your own basic sampling and sample instrument building then TAL Sampler is probably the fasted and easiest way to get there.

You know, I always forget about Logic's "Sampler" (formerly known as the EXS24). That's because I switched to Cubase Pro around 15 years ago after Apple hadn't updated Logic in over 3 years and the company's professional computers were mostly overpriced jokes. So I built a couple of my own high-powered PC towers and started using Cubase which I had always liked.

But if you are a current Logic user, Sampler is probably the easiest to use, most full featured software sampler on the market, It comes with a comprehensive library of detailed sampled instruments that sound fantastic.

Moreover, it includes the awesome "Autosampler" function that Apple acquired from Redmatica when it bought the company. That's the fastest and easiest way to gain access to classic hardware synths in exquisite detail rather than spend thousands and thousands of dollars on temperamental hardware synths. You just set a few parameters and let Autosampler go to town. In mere minutes you end up with exhaustively multisampled, multi-velocity layered sampled instruments with perfectly looped samples. It's the closest thing to magic in the world of sampling.

[EnGee]

I swear, the only software sampler most people need is TAL Sampler. If you are just doing your own basic sampling and sample instrument building then TAL Sampler is probably the fasted and easiest way to get there.

You know, I always forget about Logic's "Sampler" (formerly known as the EXS24). That's because I switched to Cubase Pro around 15 years ago after Apple hadn't updated Logic in over 3 years and the company's professional computers were mostly overpriced jokes. So I built a couple of my own high-powered PC towers and started using Cubase which I had always liked.

But if you are a current Logic user, Sampler is probably the easiest to use, most full featured software sampler on the market, It comes with a comprehensive library of detailed sampled instruments that sound fantastic.

Moreover, it includes the awesome "Autosampler" function that Apple acquired from Redmatica when it bought the company. That's the fastest and easiest way to gain access to classic hardware synths in exquisite detail rather than spend thousands and thousands of dollars on temperamental hardware synths. You just set a few parameters and let Autosampler go to town. In mere minutes you end up with exhaustively multisampled, multi-velocity layered sampled instruments with perfectly looped samples. It's the closest thing to magic in the world of sampling.

Are you responding to yourself?

[Stranger Eyes]

I swear, the only software sampler most people need is TAL Sampler. If you are just doing your own basic sampling and sample instrument building then TAL Sampler is probably the fasted and easiest way to get there.

You know, I always forget about Logic's "Sampler" (formerly known as the EXS24). That's because I switched to Cubase Pro around 15 years ago after Apple hadn't updated Logic in over 3 years and the company's professional computers were mostly overpriced jokes. So I built a couple of my own high-powered PC towers and started using Cubase which I had always liked.

But if you are a current Logic user, Sampler is probably the easiest to use, most full featured software sampler on the market, It comes with a comprehensive library of detailed sampled instruments that sound fantastic.

Moreover, it includes the awesome "Autosampler" function that Apple acquired from Redmatica when it bought the company. That's the fastest and easiest way to gain access to classic hardware synths in exquisite detail rather than spend thousands and thousands of dollars on temperamental hardware synths. You just set a few parameters and let Autosampler go to town. In mere minutes you end up with exhaustively multisampled, multi-velocity layered sampled instruments with perfectly looped samples. It's the closest thing to magic in the world of sampling.

Are you responding to yourself?

Yes indeed I am. I'm not above correcting myself when I've inadvertently said something potentially misleading. For non-Logic users, I stand by my statement that the vast majority of users don't need anything other than TAL Sampler. But if you do use Logic, then you already have everything you need (for free!) in Logic's outstanding "Sampler" plugin.

Do you have a problem with that? If so, may I politely ask why? Seems kind of dumb to me. Care to explain why you are seemingly so butt hurt over someone correcting their oversight?

[Jac459]

I understand that Halion is a great sampler but when I look at the Steinberg site, I see a strong marketing on fm synthesis, spectral synthesis, wavetable, ... what do you think about the synthesis capacity of Halion?

[Examigan]

You won't get a response from that one now as it appears they are banned.

[WasteLand]

While lfo's 1 and 2 are polyphonics, the FX aren't.

You can most definitely modulate FX parameters in many ways though.
Just right click any of the knobs on any FX to bring up a modulation menu.

for now i see only automation/CC assignments popping up for effects. but i am just starting to getting to know Halion 7. so...

I understand that Halion is a great sampler but when I look at the Steinberg site, I see a strong marketing on fm synthesis, spectral synthesis, wavetable, ... what do you think about the synthesis capacity of Halion?

you also asked; why buy Halion when you have Falcon. i don't have/own Falcon. so..
but still it are different type of beasts.
as you see; it has different approaches.
the wavetable synthesis is quite different from Falcon, for instance. it is perhaps, well... let me first work with it more.

it still centered around being a sampler, and it is a real sampler, you can record samples, even from Halion 7, master output for instace... so it can record itself.

take a sample that you made yourself, through it into the wavetable, tweak a bit, nice sound; record it and load it in the spectral synth.... tweak the spectral synth and you get... well...

(and again someone has been banned, it seems to be quite often... o well)

EDIT: i did buy Halion 7 as part of Absolute 6, yesterday...

[Radio Silence]

I'll probably get banned for posting in this thread. It seems like if you just joined KVR, you are immediately suspect and everyone comes after you as some sort of spectre from past threads.

The only reason I joined KVR is because I wanted to compliment the designer of an alternate skin for UAD's PolyMAX synth.

Anyway, I own both HALion 7 and Falcon 3. They each have their strengths. But here's what I consider to be the advantages of HALion over Falcon:

HALion has a proper browser and not just a basic folder-based organization of presets as in Falcon.
The HALion factory library is so, so much better and more comprehensive than the default Falcon library that it's simply no contest.
The FM synthesizer in HALion 7 is much more sophisticated and powerful than the basic FM synth in Falcon that it is again no contest.
This is perhaps a matter of taste, but I greatly prefer the VA synthesis features in HALion.
Although HALion has fewer subtractive filter types, I think they sound better than those in Falcon.
The spectral oscillator in HALion 7 is much more advanced and flexible than the one in Falcon.
While a bit too icon heavy and as a result somewhat more arcane, the HALion UI is more understandable than that of Falcon.
The sampling features in HALion are much more advanced and easier to use than those in Falcon.

Hope this helps.

[Jac459]

I understand that Halion is a great sampler but when I look at the Steinberg site, I see a strong marketing on fm synthesis, spectral synthesis, wavetable, ... what do you think about the synthesis capacity of Halion?

...

take a sample that you made yourself, through it into the wavetable, tweak a bit, nice sound; record it and load it in the spectral synth.... tweak the spectral synth and you get... well...

Thanks, that was indeed part of my question, I am a fan of spectral synthesis, so what I understand from what you say is that the spectral part of HALion rocks, correct ?