Gforce Oberheim OB-X

[BONES]

Actually it doesn't tell you that at all. Says absolutely squat about the thing in question. For instance if I go to a baseball game there will be lots of people drinking and lots of people not. Has absolutely nothing to do with the baseball game and everything with the people.

Except you can have a few social drinks or not and it will make no difference. But if you don't f**k yourself up seriously before a rave, you'll hate every second of it. Note that the f**king up invariably occurs before, which indicates you know ahead of time that it's the only way you're going to not have a completely shit time. OTOH, have you ever heard anyone suggest that they love going to the baseball but the only way they can handle it is to be really drunk before they go? No, those people will simply not go to the baseball, whereas people who say they love raves will still need to get stoned out of their tiny minds before they head in.

Anyhoo, I've made my little filter resonance clip. Run through a spectrum analyser if you need to but you can hear plainly how much the bass is emphasised as the resonance is increased. Bonus points if you can guess the synth -

https://on.soundcloud.com/9iCKD

[El°HYM]

You're a good man, Bones.

[audiouser720]

Actually it doesn't tell you that at all. Says absolutely squat about the thing in question. For instance if I go to a baseball game there will be lots of people drinking and lots of people not. Has absolutely nothing to do with the baseball game and everything with the people.

Except you can have a few social drinks or not and it will make no difference. But if you don't f**k yourself up seriously before a rave, you'll hate every second of it. Note that the f**king up invariably occurs before, which indicates you know ahead of time that it's the only way you're going to not have a completely shit time. OTOH, have you ever heard anyone suggest that they love going to the baseball but the only way they can handle it is to be really drunk before they go? No, those people will simply not go to the baseball, whereas people who say they love raves will still need to get stoned out of their tiny minds before they head in.

Anyhoo, I've made my little filter resonance clip. Run through a spectrum analyser if you need to but you can hear plainly how much the bass is emphasised as the resonance is increased. Bonus points if you can guess the synth -

https://on.soundcloud.com/9iCKD

Very wise words Bones.

I would like to take a wild guess, although I am not an expert and don’t own a spectrum analyser. Is it the G-Force OB-X by any chance?

We can at least eliminate the Minimoog Model D… (pun intended)

[audiouser720]

What’s this with the latency I am reading on Gearspace? Please educate me. I have been under the impression that synth plugin can’t add latency to a track, only effects. Never seen anyone talking about zero latency synth plugins but effects.

Where have I been, in a cave?

[El°HYM]

Didnt read GS but usually Oversampling also adds a bit of Latency.

[audiouser720]

Didnt read GS but usually Oversampling also adds a bit of Latency.

Yes, but a synth plugin? There is oversampling in every prominent synth plugin nowadays.

For instance Massive X has 4x oversampling per component. Does it mean that if you turn off plugin delay compensation in your DAW the synth track will be delayed, even if there are no insert effects applied on the track? So the synth itself can cause plugin latency?

[andy-cytomic]

What’s this with the latency I am reading on Gearspace? Please educate me. I have been under the impression that synth plugin can’t add latency to a track, only effects. Never seen anyone talking about zero latency synth plugins but effects.

Where have I been, in a cave?

It's hard to write algorithms that work with low aliasing without relying on oversampling to make things "easier". This is especially true for oscillators and filters. So even if there is no audio input, it's easier to generate an oscillator at double the destination sample, then limit the frequency of the oscillator to 1/4 of this doubled sample rate, and then use a steep low pass filter to remove all the frequencies above 1/4 of this doubled sample rate, which means you have removed the frequencies at 1/2 the actual sample rate, which is the upper limit of what you can represent.

Any form of low pass filtering will introduce latency. If you use a steep IIR filter the latency slowly increases in a non-linear way with frequency. If you use an FIR filter the latency is constant at all frequencies, it is larger. But either way you have latency which needs compensating.

All Cytomic plugins work without oversampling, but do benefit from lower aliasing if you want to use oversampling, but I leave that decision up to the end user since it's impossible as a developer to know how hard the plugin is being pushed in terms of frequencies / drive / aliasing. Most plugin developers force users to have a certain minimum of oversampling, usually x2. Some developers don't support sample rates other than 44.1/48 or 88.2/96, so if you run your project at a lower than 44.1khz sample rate, or above 96khz the plugin literally breaks (eg Waves).

edit: it is also worth noting that audio interfaces introduce latency due to both analog and digital low pass filters to remove above nyquist frequencies. So when you set the buffer to say 64 samples, you actually get more latency than that due to these "bandlimiting filters". This occurs for both the input and the output of a soundcard.

[RPH]

What’s this with the latency I am reading on Gearspace?

I also posted this here multiple pages back, using a scope you can see that OB-X adds 10ms latency before sound starts. Reported this to Gforce, but so far no response why that is. Didn't get the immediate answer it's due to oversampling.

My workaround for now is to use MautoAlign to correct for it.

[DashOfLime]

Actually it doesn't tell you that at all. Says absolutely squat about the thing in question. For instance if I go to a baseball game there will be lots of people drinking and lots of people not. Has absolutely nothing to do with the baseball game and everything with the people.

Except you can have a few social drinks or not and it will make no difference. But if you don't f**k yourself up seriously before a rave, you'll hate every second of it.

No, *you* will hate every second of it. Don't talk for anyone else. That's always your problem. You don't know how to accept that lots of people like lots of different things for vastly different reasons. You've been doing that shit for decades here now. Its been really, really odd that you still don't get it.

OTOH, have you ever heard anyone suggest that they love going to the baseball but the only way they can handle it is to be really drunk before they go?

You clearly don't know much about American sports

[DashOfLime]

https://on.soundcloud.com/9iCKD

This sounds like absolute shit at the end.

[Uncle E]

If anything, it seems like that bass buildup would create problems.

[BONES]

At that level of resonance, absolutely, but the challenge of patching a synth is to find the sweet spots, isn't it? But you need the extremes so you can push it as far as you need to.

No, *you* will hate every second of it. Don't talk for anyone else. That's always your problem. You don't know how to accept that lots of people like lots of different things for vastly different reasons.

Except I do. It may surprise you to know that I know a lot of people outside of KVR and we discuss a wide range of topics, which provides significant overlap with the things we talk about here. Amongst all of them, particularly those who went to raves and those who used to organise them, was that, yes, if you wanted to really enjoy the experience, you needed to make sure you had plenty of drugs on hand. In fact, I used to work with a guy who organised some really big ones and he gave it away specifically because he had to keep a clear head to make sure everything ran OK and realised how utterly f**ked it all was if you weren't off yer face.

You clearly don't know much about American sports

Right, because America keeps all that shit to itself.

This sounds like absolute shit at the end.

Of course it does, I had to brickwall the shit out of it. It's way too much resonance but it serves its purpose. If you want to hear something more in context, there's always this -



Or this -

[BBFG#]

Obviously the control group is too small and predisposed to confirm a set bias there.

[JamminFool]

If you want to hear something more in context, there's always this -



Or this -

[BONES]

Obviously the control group is too small and predisposed to confirm a set bias there.

What the f**k are you talking about? It's right there in the file for anyone and everyone to hear with their own f**king ears. What the f**k is wrong with you that you can't see that!?!