To all Cableguys Shaperbox users!!!

[Tj Shredder]

Hi folks,

Quick question: is there any way to set a sustain and release value of the envelope when triggering via MIDI?

If so, i can't find it!

You mean modulate with velocity and release velocity?
Can‘t answer, but might be a more precise question…

[Mr D]

You mean modulate with velocity and release velocity?
Can‘t answer, but might be a more precise question…

I mean: that the envelope decays (or increases) from the present volume to the final volume, over a specified period of time, when the MIDI note is released. Kinda like a synth envelope. And the icing on the cake would be if it was also selectable whether the release (and attack) triggers when playing legato.

[chk071]

You mean modulate with velocity and release velocity?
Can‘t answer, but might be a more precise question…

I mean: that the envelope decays (or increases) from the present volume to the final volume, over a specified period of time, when the MIDI note is released. Kinda like a synth envelope.

Both Shaperbox/FilterShaper and TAL-Filter do that.

Have you really tried the suggestions above?

[Mr D]

Both Shaperbox/FilterShaper and TAL-Filter do that.

Have you really tried the suggestions above?

I can't find that function in Shaperbox.

Could you explain, perhaps a screenshot?

The only attack / release settings i can find are in the envelope follower section, which is only reacting on the audio level and doesn't seem in any way related to the midi note release.

I would be happy to be proved wrong!

[nordickvr]

Both Shaperbox/FilterShaper and TAL-Filter do that.

Have you really tried the suggestions above?

I can't find that function in Shaperbox.

Could you explain, perhaps a screenshot?

The only attack / release settings i can find are in the envelope follower section, which is only reacting on the audio level and doesn't seem in any way related to the midi note release.

I would be happy to be proved wrong!

I understand that you're talking about a midi envelope generator.
To my knowledge, this doesn't exist yet.
I often looked/asked for such a device, meaning an ADSHR midi plugin (AU, in my case).
From a midi note in - note off, it would generate a choosen cc# values in time corresponding to the... ADSHR settings.
Trying to explain the best I could, hope this makes some sense.

[chk071]

Both Shaperbox/FilterShaper and TAL-Filter do that.

Have you really tried the suggestions above?

I can't find that function in Shaperbox.

Could you explain, perhaps a screenshot?

The only attack / release settings i can find are in the envelope follower section, which is only reacting on the audio level and doesn't seem in any way related to the midi note release.

I would be happy to be proved wrong!

I'm still not sure if I understand you correctly. The (ADSR or anything else) envelope/curve you draw into Shaperbox or TAL-FIlter IS the envelope. It can be anything, from a ADSR envelope to a multi stage envelope, to just having attack and decay, depending on the amount of nodes you add.

[nordickvr]

Both Shaperbox/FilterShaper and TAL-Filter do that.

Have you really tried the suggestions above?

I can't find that function in Shaperbox.

Could you explain, perhaps a screenshot?

The only attack / release settings i can find are in the envelope follower section, which is only reacting on the audio level and doesn't seem in any way related to the midi note release.

I would be happy to be proved wrong!

I'm still not sure if I understand you correctly. The (ADSR or anything else) envelope/curve you draw into Shaperbox or TAL-FIlter IS the envelope. It can be anything, from a ADSR envelope to a multi stage envelope, to just having attack and decay, depending on the amount of nodes you add.

You're right.
I think that what @Mr D needs is, e.g. using SB's filter, click/enable MIDI (bottom of the window, between Sync and Audio).
That way, each midi note will reset the env/lfo to start.
edit: Sync will loop, MIDI will do one shot, like an envelope behaves.

[Trancit]

I'm still not sure if I understand you correctly. The (ADSR or anything else) envelope/curve you draw into Shaperbox or TAL-FIlter IS the envelope. It can be anything, from a ADSR envelope to a multi stage envelope, to just having attack and decay, depending on the amount of nodes you add.

But you will never get classical ADSR behaviour with those plugins like Sustain is held as long as the note is no matter if it´s for the duration of a 16th note or over 2 bars and goes then into a dedicated user defineable release stage... and on top of that multitimbral...

Imho this doesn´t exist as a normal plugin but just as additions in DAWs like FLS, Bitwig, Ableton, Mulab...

[MattLeschuck]

It exists in Snap Heap, and is integrated quite well. Its one of the reasons i often reach for it over Shaperbox and Infiltrator.

[Trancit]

It exists in Snap Heap, and is integrated quite well. Its one of the reasons i often reach for it over Shaperbox and Infiltrator.

Yes of course... but there it´s just available for their own snap ins...

I mean there is no general useable plugin available apart from internal Host solutions (and let us count Snap Heap and Multipass into this category of "hosts")

[VariKusBrainZ]

Both Shaperbox/FilterShaper and TAL-Filter do that.

Have you really tried the suggestions above?

I can't find that function in Shaperbox.

Could you explain, perhaps a screenshot?

The only attack / release settings i can find are in the envelope follower section, which is only reacting on the audio level and doesn't seem in any way related to the midi note release.

I would be happy to be proved wrong!

I understand that you're talking about a midi envelope generator.
To my knowledge, this doesn't exist yet.
I often looked/asked for such a device, meaning an ADSHR midi plugin (AU, in my case).
From a midi note in - note off, it would generate a choosen cc# values in time corresponding to the... ADSHR settings.
Trying to explain the best I could, hope this makes some sense.

https://www.cableguys.com/midishaper.html

[nordickvr]

I understand that you're talking about a midi envelope generator.
To my knowledge, this doesn't exist yet.
I often looked/asked for such a device, meaning an ADSHR midi plugin (AU, in my case).
From a midi note in - note off, it would generate a choosen cc# values in time corresponding to the... ADSHR settings.
Trying to explain the best I could, hope this makes some sense.

https://www.cableguys.com/midishaper.html

Indeed, this is what its made for.
That said, I tried it and wasn’t able to get the exact behavior I was looking for.
Great result when using a looping envelop (LFO behavior), but as a “standard ADSHR” it didn’t work for me.
Of course YMMV.

[swilow11]

Is Midishaper nested within Shaperbox or is it an 'external module?

[elassi]

Is Midishaper nested within Shaperbox or is it an 'external module?

External.