Xhun Audio RawPrime : an original synthesis concept, established on... Aliasing (on purpose) !

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xhunaudio wrote: Sat Oct 28, 2023 1:26 pm This Device 100% produces sound *exclusively* by using aliasing tones/partials.

What you hear in the Example A, Example B, Example C audio demos is not a wavetable with its aliasing, or a multisample with its aliasing, or a generated waveform with aliasing, etc.

What you hear is produced *entirely* by "pure" aliasing only.
Wait, to make sure I understand, so basically you're generating the aliased harmonics and then discarding the fundamental tone, and synthesizing from those?

That's... awesome. I love this idea :lol:

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xhunaudio wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 12:56 pm Ok, let's try to move the first steps in order to define what this Device actually is...

As well as for the Yamaha OP- / YM- chips, in this Device all starts with a "wavetable" stored in memory.

Note : I said "wavetable", not "multi-dimensional wavetables". It means a single waveform stored in memory. Remember, we have to stay cheap as in 1976 !

Or better, YM- had a 8-bit "quarter of sine wave period" stored, and it reconstruct a sine wave period by recombining it 4 times, resulting in a 9-bit, full period wave.

But the similarities with YM- stop here. Yamaha uses 2 of that sine wavetables in phasemod (or additive) in order to generate partials.

Instead the Device uses two (7-bit, full period) sine wavetables (separately) in a different, original fashion...

Let's start from the... top. What's possible to achieve with this new synthesis approach ?

Here are two preliminary examples of what this Device is able to produce.

The most important thing to consider here is :

- the first audio demo uses only 2 sine waves to produce the entire bass line.

- the second audio demo instead uses only 1 sine wave to produce each voice.

Both audio demos use a delay processor (included). Audio demo A makes use of the analog filter (included).

Audio demo A : Using only 2 sines per voice (#1 voice in total, monophonic)
https://soundcloud.com/xhunaudiounreleased/example-a

Audio demo B : Using only 1 sine per voice (#2 voices in total, polyphonic)
https://soundcloud.com/xhunaudiounreleased/example-b
Wavetable, oh so like PC Engine and SCC. It is known in Japan as waveform memory synthesis.

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runagate wrote: Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:25 pm https://www.kvraudio.com/product/mr-ali ... t-piz-here

If it's anything like insertpizhere's amazing Mr Alias, which I dearly love, from 15 years ago I will buy this
I love IronAxe and ResonHeart, of course!
I still use the "Pro" version of it to this day. Such a fun noisemaker.
:hyper: RETRO AND CINEMATIC SYNTH PRESETS :hyper:
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... and all these years we've been struggling to reduce aliasing. Sheesh! :dog: :hihi:

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Indeed : we fight aliasing all the time, but at some point someone has to listen to his reasons. :D
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Korg Supporter wrote: Sat Oct 28, 2023 10:22 pm Wavetable, oh so like PC Engine and SCC. It is known in Japan as waveform memory synthesis.
Well, no. Konami SCC is a great vintage chip, but it has nothing to do with the Device.

SCC is a wavetable/rompler system, the Device is a completely different beast.

I'm calling it the "Device" with capital "D" so it's clear I'm referring to the XA "Unreleased" new synthesizer.
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stoopicus wrote: Sat Oct 28, 2023 8:57 pm Wait, to make sure I understand, so basically you're generating the aliased harmonics and then discarding the fundamental tone, and synthesizing from those?

That's... awesome. I love this idea :lol:
Exactly. The 7-bit sine wavetable I mentioned before has to be considered not much more than a "trigger" for the whole system.

So yes, what you hear in the 3 audio demo examples (and all partials in general in this Device) is only from aliasing. It's the central idea of it. This is why I said "let the aliasing do the dirty job of generating harmonics, for free".

As I said before, this Device is not a "lo-fi" synthesizer for producing just aliased sounds/tones, but is meant to be a so-called "AAA" synthesizer, using "aliasing raw material" as its sound source.

Also - I'm going to explain that later on - the D / A hybrid tone generator (let's call it a "macro-oscillator") is much more complex. It performs subsequent DSP operations with all that "aliasing raw material"...
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I can’t avoid to be excited and curious…

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Completing the factory presets library, among other things.

Specially for 80s / 90s movies lovers :) here's Example D, produced with only eight (8) sine waves in total.

Or better : what you hear is made exclusively by the sole aliasing produced by eight (8) 7-bit sine waves :

https://soundcloud.com/xhunaudiorawprim ... -deep-note
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I did forsee this a long time ago, see my signature :hihi:
No band limits, aliasing is the noise of freedom!

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A-Grade_Audio wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 1:18 am
runagate wrote: Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:25 pm https://www.kvraudio.com/product/mr-ali ... t-piz-here

If it's anything like insertpizhere's amazing Mr Alias, which I dearly love, from 15 years ago I will buy this
I love IronAxe and ResonHeart, of course!
I still use the "Pro" version of it to this day. Such a fun noisemaker.
Same here, the Pro version absolutely aliasly rocks
No band limits, aliasing is the noise of freedom!

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Nielzie wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2023 2:55 pm I did forsee this a long time ago, see my signature :hihi:


No band limits, aliasing is the noise of freedom!
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El°HYM wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2023 3:17 pm
Nielzie wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2023 2:55 pm I did forsee this a long time ago, see my signature :hihi:


No band limits, aliasing is the noise of freedom!
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aliasing plugin owner
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martiu wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2023 3:40 pm
El°HYM wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2023 3:17 pm
Nielzie wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2023 2:55 pm I did forsee this a long time ago, see my signature :hihi:


No band limits, aliasing is the noise of freedom!
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aliasing plugin owner
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Have been an Aliasing plugin owner for quite some time myself. :?
You can be creative in any right place on Earth, and not only in the wealthiest cities. Bring the world feelings from everywhere, and not only feelings of capitalistic or jail environment.
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Nothing wrong with aliasing, it brings lovely nasty character to sounds.
No band limits, aliasing is the noise of freedom!

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