Should we ditch VST/AAX instruments altogether?

[stoopicus]

So yeah, most of the music that I like came way before I was born.
All those Dark Side Of The Moon, Thriller, The Joshua Tree, Revolver etc...there's nothing in modern music that come even close to those albums.
Nothing.

Look, I'm going to be really blunt here. And this is not meant in an insulting way at all.

What you are doing here is simply exposing an ignorance of modern music. This is not an insult, it's a description of a (hopefully) temporary state. Ignorance can be fixed, if you just have the curiosity to look and learn.

I'm not going to give any more specific examples than I already did (I easily could but I won't), simply because they may or may not match your specific tastes. But if you really go and look for it, which is really just about Google searching, there's a world of amazing music being made out there right now.

It's just not being spoon-fed to you by AOR Radio any more.

[vurt]

I say bring back the wax cylinder and log drum.

we made wax cylinders to record at school. was part of a science lesson.
might try and do some, do a wax cylinder samples pack

Did your wax cylinder have aliasing or latency?

I was just waxing my cylinder, no latency

hot wax one hopes, for the "sensation"

[foosnark]

It's more of a call to try to assess if the quantity of tools hurt the quality of product. Sometimes less is more.

There are a lot of tools on KvR who hurt its quality.

[vurt]

So yeah, most of the music that I like came way before I was born.
All those Dark Side Of The Moon, Thriller, The Joshua Tree, Revolver etc...there's nothing in modern music that come even close to those albums.
Nothing.

Look, I'm going to be really blunt here. And this is not meant in an insulting way at all.

What you are doing here is simply exposing an ignorance of modern music. This is not an insult, it's a description of a (hopefully) temporary state. Ignorance can be fixed, if you just have the curiosity to look and learn.

I'm not going to give any more specific examples than I already did (I easily could but I won't), simply because they may or may not match your specific tastes. But if you really go and look for it, which is really just about Google searching, there's a world of amazing music being made out there right now.

It's just not being spoon-fed to you by AOR Radio any more.

there have even been some great pop songs in this century. katy perry has had a couple of great ones, that aren't my thing, but still got that shiver in my spine when hearing them on the local spar radio. i can see her being remembered or at least those songs.

rhianna, again not something id put on at home, but well performed and catchy as feck.

i haven't listened to radio at home, since john peel died, so i don't hear it unless im in a shop or the classic rock station in my friends car, but i imagine, if this sort of music is more to your liking, you will know more.

[vurt]

It's more of a call to try to assess if the quantity of tools hurt the quality of product. Sometimes less is more.

There are a lot of tools on KvR who hurt its quality.

[stoopicus]

i haven't listened to radio at home, since john peel died

Solid, solid reason to stop listening to radio.

[CrystalWizard]

I think using The Beatles and Pink Floyd as examples of "less technology" is funny. Two bands that were recording in Abbey Road where technology and engineering were huge factors. DSOTM would not exist if not for leading edge studio technology.

[noiseboyuk]

Sometimes it's fun to jump right into a thread that sounds ridiculous on p12 to see what they are actually talking about.

[stoopicus]

I think using The Beatles and Pink Floyd as examples of "less technology" is funny.

Actually looking at his choice of bands, maybe his real point is that back then the drugs were way better.

[zerocrossing]

I say bring back the wax cylinder and log drum.

that's a lot clearer than ours were.

How many times did I tell you that ear wax would not make it sound better?

[Bippo]

So yeah, most of the music that I like came way before I was born.
All those Dark Side Of The Moon, Thriller, The Joshua Tree, Revolver etc...there's nothing in modern music that come even close to those albums.
Nothing.

Look, I'm going to be really blunt here. And this is not meant in an insulting way at all.

What you are doing here is simply exposing an ignorance of modern music. This is not an insult, it's a description of a (hopefully) temporary state. Ignorance can be fixed, if you just have the curiosity to look and learn.

I'm not going to give any more specific examples than I already did (I easily could but I won't), simply because they may or may not match your specific tastes. But if you really go and look for it, which is really just about Google searching, there's a world of amazing music being made out there right now.

It's just not being spoon-fed to you by AOR Radio any more.

No offense, but the band you posted earlier (pg-something..) is not something that I consider enjoyable music.
"Experimental post rock" is an umbrella term for people who just fail at popular songwriting.
"Experimental post X" is mostly BS term, just an excuse for being a bad songwriter.
I did try to listen to the youtube links you posted, but this type of music sucks hard.
I could write dozens of songs like that over a weekend.
This is an easy job.
The more "experimental/post/avant-garde" tags an artist uses to define his music, the more ready the listener should be to waste his time on some meaningless, utterly random and unimaginative collection of notes that has no substance.
It's a lot easier to write 20 minutes song without any lyrics and vocal melodies that have nothing catchy, than a 3 minutes hit pop song that millions of people all over the world will connect to.

Besides that, you should read more carefully the first post, I talked specifically about popular music, so posting random "experimental" bands that are 180 degrees different as an argument, is at best a bad attempt at trolling.
The whole topic is about mainstream music and you gave a "contradicting" case from the deepest caves of anonymous and esoteric musical landscapes.
That's a blunder.

[BBFG#]

Isn't "mainstream" a subjective colloquialism or a national list of virtue signaling the days? JMO, but I don't think that term has as much of a meaning anymore.

And the problem I find is the problem that's always been. And that's the really good things I consider to be good/great are that 2% above the 98% horde of mediocrity. It's just the gross numbers the percentage calculates from is exponentially filled with people needing to take some basic music lessons on a dedicated instrument first.

[Bippo]

Isn't "mainstream" a subjective colloquialism or a national list of virtue signaling the days? JMO, but I don't that term has as much of a meaning anymore.

No.
It does have a meaning.
Go to the top 40/100 charts in any given country, that's mainstream.

And the problem I find is the problem that's always been. And that's the really good things I consider to be good/great are that 2% above the 98% horde of mediocrity. It's just the gross numbers the percentage calculates from is exponentially filled with people needing to take some basic music lessons on a dedicated instrument first.

There's "music for musicians" and "music for the masses"..
This topic is all about the latter

[BBFG#]

True. I look for the former.

[Bippo]

True. I look for the former.

Well then you missed the whole point of this topic.
Let me quote myself from the very beginning of this topic:

The vast majority of the greatest hits in popular music were created way before the invention of digital instruments.