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hurricaneaudiolab · Post by **hurricaneaudiolab** » Thu Nov 09, 2023 1:08 am

So is SM3 on track to be released in 2023? That's what you said...

kv331 · Post by **kv331** » Thu Nov 09, 2023 6:21 am

hurricaneaudiolab wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 1:08 am So is SM3 on track to be released in 2023? That's what you said...

Beta will be released next month.

Liero · Post by **Liero** » Thu Nov 09, 2023 8:07 am

bmanic wrote: Wed Nov 08, 2023 9:52 pm
vertibration wrote: Wed Nov 08, 2023 8:59 pm the trend seems to be the "all around" synth plugin that can do it all.

Biggest issue with Synth Master 2 was that it was clunky and quite buggy. In short, it had "jank".

This is very much on point. Using SynthMaster has always felt like I'm wrangling with something made in '96. It has almost none of the quality of life and usability elements that synths started shipping with a decade ago. In short: It feels like a chore to use even when you know exactly how it works. I originally bought it on a whim because it seemed so good on paper, especially the SFZ import was impressive to me. But I never use it because of the "jank".

hurricaneaudiolab · Post by **hurricaneaudiolab** » Thu Nov 09, 2023 7:12 pm

kv331 wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 6:21 am
hurricaneaudiolab wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 1:08 am So is SM3 on track to be released in 2023? That's what you said...
Beta will be released next month.

So that’s a no.

Early 2024 perhaps?

Jac459 · Post by **Jac459** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 12:31 am

Liero wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 8:07 am
bmanic wrote: Wed Nov 08, 2023 9:52 pm
vertibration wrote: Wed Nov 08, 2023 8:59 pm the trend seems to be the "all around" synth plugin that can do it all.

Biggest issue with Synth Master 2 was that it was clunky and quite buggy. In short, it had "jank".

This is very much on point. Using SynthMaster has always felt like I'm wrangling with something made in '96. It has almost none of the quality of life and usability elements that synths started shipping with a decade ago. In short: It feels like a chore to use even when you know exactly how it works. I originally bought it on a whim because it seemed so good on paper, especially the SFZ import was impressive to me. But I never use it because of the "jank".

But to be fair, synthmaster is super powerful and has superb presets. It also has an iPad version which is awesome to sketch music on the go.
If on top on that it would have a great UI, it would certainly be number one....

kv331 · Post by **kv331** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 8:37 am

hurricaneaudiolab wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 7:12 pm Early 2024 perhaps?

Hoping so. We are doing our internal testing right now. The beta/sound design period should be 2 months so hopefuly in February 2024 we will release it.

kv331 · Post by **kv331** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 8:40 am

Liero wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 8:07 am This is very much on point. Using SynthMaster has always felt like I'm wrangling with something made in '96. It has almost none of the quality of life and usability elements that synths started shipping with a decade ago.

When was the last time you checked out SynthMaster ?

medienhexer · Post by **medienhexer** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 11:23 am

vertibration wrote: Wed Nov 08, 2023 8:59 pm the trend seems to be the "all around" synth plugin that can do it all.

Well, going by kvr discussions, that’s what everybody HAS to do. Otherwise, it’s an inferior product and overall waste of time. Urs has probably had to defend his stance that Zebra is not a sampler more often than there are stars in the sky. And how dare anyone release a synth without additive re-synthesis? Why isn’t a dedicated vowel filter included in every single synth? And vocoder? No synths can live without that…

My theory is that a lot of people who demand every synth to do it all, never buy any of them.

BBFG# · Post by **BBFG#** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:11 pm

medienhexer wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 11:23 am
vertibration wrote: Wed Nov 08, 2023 8:59 pm the trend seems to be the "all around" synth plugin that can do it all.
Well, going by kvr discussions, that’s what everybody HAS to do. Otherwise, it’s an inferior product and overall waste of time. Urs has probably had to defend his stance that Zebra is not a sampler more often than there are stars in the sky. And how dare anyone release a synth without additive re-synthesis? Why isn’t a dedicated vowel filter included in every single synth? And vocoder? No synths can live without that…

My theory is that a lot of people who demand every synth to do it all, never buy any of them.

Most of them have some kind of copy/protection/subscription scheme, restrictive download/library manager or other thing that makes their otherwise great idea fall short of being a must buy. So many watch these threads, see either no change in that thinking or that it even gets weirder in some form of paranoid elitism and dismiss it on a regular basis. This one got me to originally dump it with the "everything" locked in preset bundles and download servers mostly based in a country that has it's own time to time paranoia.

Great synth that I find mostly bloated with wonky hoops to jump through at undetermined times for no real reason. Some beyond the developer's control.

But I still often read its threads with a grain of hope.

kv331 · Post by **kv331** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:13 pm

BBFG# wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:11 pm This one got me to originally dump it with the "everything" locked in preset bundles and download servers mostly based in a country that has it's own time to time paranoia.

FYI: Our servers are located in the US (dedicated hosting provided by GoDaddy)

BBFG# · Post by **BBFG#** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:18 pm

kv331 wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:13 pm
BBFG# wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:11 pm This one got me to originally dump it with the "everything" locked in preset bundles and download servers mostly based in a country that has it's own time to time paranoia.
FYI: Our servers are located in the US (dedicated hosting provided by GoDaddy)

I know, and remember how much better they got after that happened. Unfortunately, the US has joined the paranoia with their own special form of it. Still not as bad as the first servers, but bad in it's own right. I was also speaking in a generality of the "do-everything" synth idea of most companies. My one reason for not using SM now is the locked in preset bloat.

kv331 · Post by **kv331** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:24 pm

BBFG# wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:18 pm My one reason for not using SM now is the locked in preset bloat.

Frankly I couldn't understand what you mean by "locked in preset bloat"

mevla · Post by **mevla** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:26 pm

I use Synthmaster 2 on Linux (Xubuntu 22.04/Linux Bitwig 5.0.10) and it runs OK. Synthmaster 2 has its own range of sounds and character which in my tool set makes it a valuable tool.

The only thing I could say otherwise is that, since I run Windows VST inside Linux, the additional adaptive software layer that makes it possible adds more work on the part of the VST and in the case of Synthmaster 2, when compared to other Windows VSTs running in the same context, it's a bit slow on the UI side of things and the time it needs to set up. But once done, it runs OK.

Synthmaster One also runs, but can be a bit more sensitive. It seemingly does not have the exact same software foundations as Synthmaster 2.

When a VST developer announces optimizations in a release, it usually shows clearly when running Windows VSTs in Linux.

Cheers.

BBFG# · Post by **BBFG#** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:28 pm

kv331 wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:24 pm
BBFG# wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:18 pm My one reason for not using SM now is the locked in preset bloat.
Frankly I couldn't understand what you mean by "locked in preset bloat"

We've discussed it before. And you're not the only company I've dumped because of it.

kv331 · Post by **kv331** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:31 pm

BBFG# wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:28 pm We've discussed it before. And you're not the only company I've dumped because of it.

Sorry, I don't remember the discussion. Anyways, have fun with what you are currently using...

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