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ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Fri Dec 24, 2004 4:41 pm

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original flipper · Post by **original flipper** » Fri Dec 24, 2004 4:45 pm

HI

To my ears a couple of drum loops I stretched in Live4 sounded fine - perhaps if there is lot's of different things going on in a loop it might not be as usable or of a high enough quality; haven't been there - yet!

Demo time?

Fllipper

Architect · Post by **Architect** » Fri Dec 24, 2004 4:46 pm

Wow, you must not know what your doing kid, Live 4 is THEE best application for timestretching tracks. Just use the warp function. That's one of the things is best known for where have you been...

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Fri Dec 24, 2004 4:49 pm

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Architect · Post by **Architect** » Fri Dec 24, 2004 4:50 pm

TO be honest with you any timestretching of certain loops/samples, etc is going to sound like shit it has nothing to do with Ableton Live. Certain sounds just aren't going to sound good and aren't meant to be stretched out of their original pitch/time. Start learning how to make better music and understand how these tools work and stop complaining, it has nothing to do with Live try it in any program you'll probably get worse results.

Architect · Post by **Architect** » Fri Dec 24, 2004 4:54 pm

By the way I own Live 3 and upgraded to 4 so I do know a little something about the program.

justin_leapfrog · Post by **justin_leapfrog** » Fri Dec 24, 2004 4:58 pm

Some loops can be stretched better than others yes, but ttoz mentioned instrument samples. Different types of sounds are stretched better with different methods. Single pitched samples definately can be stretched without problems - just look at our product Rephase for one example. I have no idea whether Live 4 can stretch instrument sounds without troubles though.

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Fri Dec 24, 2004 5:02 pm

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mike@trackteamaudio.com · Sat Dec 25, 2004 10:02 am

depends on which version of Live you have tried. in live 1 there was only one algorithm for warping- Beats... with the introduction of Live 2, two other timestreatching algorithms were implemented- Tones and Textures. Im not going to get into the functions of and preferred applications of each one, but basically they are more for pads, leads, verses and sounds of that nature. Within, there are also controls for grain size, offset, and flux to further tailor the specific methods of warping... it seems to me that people who usually say Lives warping sucks are people who have no idea about the intracacies and uses of the different Warp Modes...ie throw a pad loop on and use Beats Mode( which is best suited for drum beats) to warp it or throw a drum loop in and use texture mode to warp...etc...I have been a Live user since version 1 and am under the impression that for all intent and purpose, if you want something warped or "timestretched" if you delve into and utiize Lives controls it will "timestretch " just as well as any other application out there.. so anyway download the demo( which is fully functional in the warping area) and try for yourself. But if the quality doesnt jump out at you at first and sparkle, play with it a bit, read about the different Warp Algos and then make a decision then.

merry christmas
mike

flex42 · Post by **flex42** » Sat Dec 25, 2004 10:10 am

I don't think the the quality has improved compared to Live 3. I REALLY whish they'd license MPEX2 and use that algo for rendering projects...

AD80 · Post by **AD80** » Sat Dec 25, 2004 10:12 am

Acid's time stretch still sounds better to me than Live.

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Sat Dec 25, 2004 10:35 am

ttoz wrote:dude in Live 3 which i own, stretching an instrument sample evn 10% results in horrifying artifacts. it's generally ok for drums though. This is my question, if Live 4 is better in this regard. If you haven't used Live3 previously, then there's no point as you wont know the answer.

Thats probably because you're not changing the warp mode from beats to texture, tone, or repitch.

Live 4's timestretch engine is little different to Live 3, and Live 3 was little different to Live 2. They've hardly changed it at all.

Live 4 is better than Acid for timestretching, although Acid is still a godlike program in my opinion

Oh, and Live 4 is my main mixing and stretching program, not that it matters.

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Sat Dec 25, 2004 10:38 am

mike@trackteamaudio.com wrote:it seems to me that people who usually say Lives warping sucks are people who have no idea about the intracacies and uses of the different Warp Modes...

hehe. I started off with Live 2, and I too thought "man this is really shit for stretching..." and I never used it... until I discovered the other warp modes

I've warped pads in the tone method from 100bpm to 170bpm, and it sounds fine.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Sat Dec 25, 2004 11:50 am

This confused me when I first got Live...

but those who have posted about the four different warp modes are absolutely correct. You need to use the right mode for the loop. Check the manual for full details.

If a loop can be timestretched in any program, it can be done best in Live 4.

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Sat Dec 25, 2004 12:03 pm

So maybe this should be another thread but if Ableton isn't as good as I thought it was supposed to be then what is? Out of all the hosts, samplers and plugins that offer timestretching which one does it the best? Is it the Waves one TTOZ mentioned perhaps? (didn't even know they did one tbh) or another (Kontakt? Sampletank 2? Sonar 4 with its MPEX2? The new SX warp engine? Pro tools?)

(maybe this should be a vote)

Has the timestretching quality improved in Live 4?