Ableton 12 - Generative MIDI, Multiband Distortion and more

[steff3]

Did they by now complete their half-baken implementation of AUv3 support? That was a nice joke .... advertising it and then at 20% implementation stopping .... Just wondering .....

[PieBerger]

Bitwig is better at being a simple, stable, functioning DAW and these are the reasons why I think this. It's relevant to the discussion, because a new version of Live has been announced and it is still missing the most simple of the aforementioned features and it's frustrating because I would like to use it more, but it feels like such a potato by comparison.

This the exact type of comment I was referring to. I have both DAWs. I prefer to use Live. It must be that I prefer an unnecessarily complex, unstable, ill-functioning DAW, then?

Yes it's clear that you prefer a less stable (no plugin sandboxing so the program will crash if a plugin misbehaves and even good ones do on occasion) and and ill-functioning (PDC isn't compensated between devices, which is a fault in a DAW that allows use of devices that report latency) and that is OK, I didn't say (or mean to imply) otherwise. I could have chosen a better way of referring to simple DAW functions like editing audio, than "simple": I didn't mean that Live was complex, because it's not, at least not compared to other DAWs like Cubase or Logic.

[DrGonzo]

no plugin sandboxing so the program will crash if a plugin misbehaves and even good ones do on occasion) and and ill-functioning

What plugins do you use that causes crashes? I'm not baiting, but for me this is a non issue. I don't think I had a plugin crash Live once during the last year. I can see this being helpful if you are beta testing software though.

[liquidsound]

She really goes through the new features in depth and some…
Long video

[rod_zero]

If someone has tried the beta, can you guys tell how the CPU consumption compares to Ableton 10?
I'm wondering cause I've got kind of oldish 4790s, which works find with 10, but I'm not sure about further versions

For me it is the same in Live 10 and 11, CPU hasn't gotten better or worse really. Ableton hasn't stated anything regarding CPU use apart from the new warping algorithms being a bit more intensive, but that just the first time the file is analized.

Last year I upgrades to from that exact CPU to a i5 12500k and the jump in performance is huge, like 4 times measured by the instances of DIVA I can run, at the time in Live 11.

[Cepheus]

I use a M4L thingy to route the midi.

Do you have any more info on this ? It's something I often avoided Live for, but if there's a neat solution...

There are several ways how one can route midi in Live. I used the Multi-MIDI VST wrapper 2.1 (https://maxforlive.com/library/device.php?id=9448)
in combination with Max 7 Pitch and Time Machines (https://www.ableton.com/en/packs/max-7- ... -machines/)

Here is how to get Instacomposer running in Live:
https://waproduction.zendesk.com/hc/en- ... 8666291602

[elxsound]

I jumped on Live back at 6/7 I think. And there is one feature I've been missing ever since.

The ability to have more than one project open at the same time. I think this is possible with Windows machines, but with Macs you have to go some dark terminal hack. Does anyone know if this has been sorted out with v12?

Jumped on the same time, but not added in 12.

I never tried any hacks, and not sure I’d want to, but again it’s still the same with regard to projects.

[elxsound]

If someone has tried the beta, can you guys tell how the CPU consumption compares to Ableton 10?
I'm wondering cause I've got kind of oldish 4790s, which works find with 10, but I'm not sure about further versions

As Rod_zero mentioned, it’s the same except for the initial rescan of content. Once you get past that, you should see the same performance.

Right now I see a much quicker browser experience than before on both Intel and M2. My Intel machine is 5 years old but still holding its own.

[machinesworking]

no plugin sandboxing so the program will crash if a plugin misbehaves and even good ones do on occasion) and and ill-functioning

What plugins do you use that causes crashes? I'm not baiting, but for me this is a non issue. I don't think I had a plugin crash Live once during the last year. I can see this being helpful if you are beta testing software though.

Well recently it was Komplete Kontrol, Kontakt and the MPC that crashed Live. KK and Kontakt got updates but the MPC (and Amplitube) are still spikey messes on Sonoma and the M2 chips. Akai and IK need to update them. Plus there are still plugins that are not Apple Silicon ready, so we deal with whatever code was around for that plugin 3 years ago.

I've got too many DAWs and yes in modern times unstable plugins are rarer than they used to be, but if there's anything to complain about with Bitwig, or to dismiss as irrelevant, it wouldn't be the sandboxing, that's a fantastic feature. On the off chance you get stuck with a plugin in a set that constantly crashes, it doesn't take out the DAW and you have the ability to get it to audio without restarting the DAW over and over.

[edit] Oh and you can keep an older version of Live around, rename it and get two sets open at once. Unsupported hack, but it works.

[muzicxs]

Why can't we appreciate both Ableton and Bitwig as valuable tools in their own right? I find it puzzling that there's a tendency to argue over which is superior. Isn't the purpose of comparing them to gain a deeper insight into what each software offers? The polarized attitudes aren't helpful, though sadly, they're not uncommon. Whatever makes you sleep at night I guess...

[machinesworking]

Why can't we appreciate both Ableton and Bitwig as valuable tools in their own right? I find it puzzling that there's a tendency to argue over which is superior. Isn't the purpose of comparing them to gain a deeper insight into what each software offers? The polarized attitudes aren't helpful, though sadly, they're not uncommon. Whatever makes you sleep at night I guess...

It's kicking water uphill to worry about it, but I get your point.
30 years ago if you told me the internet would be primarily dominated by youtube/tictock influencers and forums filled with men arguing about software and hardware I would probably not believe you. I mean I get all the cat memes but..

[elxsound]

Weird times.

Can’t help thinking the synthfluencer word will exhaust itself. Forums seem to be aging out.

Who knows what’s next!

But as for the point… We’re all benefitting from the competition between all recording hosts, not just BW and Live.

[UtopianLament]

Why can't we appreciate both Ableton and Bitwig as valuable tools in their own right? I find it puzzling that there's a tendency to argue over which is superior. Isn't the purpose of comparing them to gain a deeper insight into what each software offers? The polarized attitudes aren't helpful, though sadly, they're not uncommon. Whatever makes you sleep at night I guess...

It's people who don't have their priorities straight tend to complain the most. And these same people wonder why their music sucks.

[xbitz]

dunno the source, just saw it on FLS forum



ps. asked chatGPT to make it readable

@Alex-cw2ue 1 day ago (edited)

10 years producers ask:

ARA 2 or another built-in pitch editing.
Bounce and place with one button
PDC delay compensation
Deactivation of plugins (real without CPU load)
Not closing the project when only 1 plugin does not work
Ability to work in 3 projects in different tabs at once
Freezing Groups
Gain on the clip, not inside the clip
More colors and gradient option

Dynamic equalizer (in EQ8 at least add different slope and the ability to see not 12db spectrum)
The ability to drag a sample from the project to the browser and have it appear there as a file, not as a project

Auto tune at least from maxforlive to redo in native.
Of this, 89% have other DAWs. And what do we have now? Ableton 10 latest version 10.1.43. Next Ableton 11 latest version Live 11.3. you don't finish versions until they are logically completed. And immediately releases a new one, most likely you have seen how cubase, fl, logic, bitwig, studio one have already shown new functions and even AI. What does Ableton offer? Did we make a visible mixer right away with the arrangement? Browser? These are all standard functions of any other DAW. You always show the Macbook Pro in your video why you can't open Live and open the other 9 different DAWs and see the CPU load, and understand that Live is very far from being in the lead, if not lagging behind.

What comes out? I bought version 10 for $ 749 + $ 249 for an update for version 11 + about $ 200 more for a 12 update and we have a DAW price of about $ 1200 and this is from version 10, and someone with version 9 is even more. And you release 1-2 new functions and serve as if it is a completely new DAW. If you need money you can make updates every year and who needs them would buy them. Or open Donate on the website so that people can give you money, maybe then you will listen to those who bring you money from sales. Do you have a website Ableton.centercode do you go there at all? Try to go there in the offers already a new version of DAW.

[enCiphered]

My assumption is that they aren't musicians, more likely people who enjoy experimenting but never really take music seriously or professionally. Because it absolutely doesn't make sense to invest so much time in typing all day long or complain about such things if there's nothing to gain from it.

By the way, I finally found my spirit level yesterday. God knows how it got behind the refrigerator.