Roland Cloud

[N 4 LIFE]

The SRX cards are still handled as separate plugins and not even all of them have been released.

The is one of the shameless movements made by Roland. Compare this to how Korg handled the M series, Triton series, which came, right from the beginning, with ALL the expansion cards built in.

And I suspect Roland is slowly preparing the fading out of all the individual software instruments (ACB based) keeping only Zenology and Zenology based modules. Abandoning projects is something they have been done over and over in the past.

I supported and subscribed to Roland Cloud ONLY because of the Legendary instruments. And I believe the vast majority of users are in the same position. Future will tell.

That whole thing of giving Concerto away for free and then discontinuing it....you could do the same layering idea as Galaxy but only with far easier navigation.

[PAK]

And I suspect Roland is slowly preparing the fading out of all the individual software instruments (ACB based) keeping only Zenology and Zenology based modules.

Hmmm. I dunno.. looks more like they're moving in the opposite direction. The latest Fantom update adds ACB support.

[EnochLight]

And I suspect Roland is slowly preparing the fading out of all the individual software instruments (ACB based)

[SLiC]

I think Galaxiass is kind of Analog Lab meets Rob Papen Prisma. I’ll stick with not resubscribing and using Plugin Guru Unify if I want that layering capability, it’s more mature and plays well with third party plugins.

Other than its stand alone only, no VST!
Roland know we only use their virtual stuff to play live....

[Jon at Roland]

Don't bother. Roland have shown, over and over, they don't give a s*** to what users think and want.

Hey fmr! People have been asking for so many of the features you can find in GALAXIAS in a lot of our online communities for a while now. Even in this one! I've seen a ton of support for it so far, and after only two days people are already finding out how they can integrate it in their workflow and how you can hack it for your own purposes. It's actually mostly on KVR and Gearspace where I see users expressing an immediate disdain for everything Roland Cloud releases regardless of what it is. You guys are really interested in new instruments, I completely understand that and that's great! There will be new instruments. But we also want to push forward while honoring the heritage Roland has of offering new innovative ways to perceive music production, composition and performance. This is a part of that.

And I suspect Roland is slowly preparing the fading out of all the individual software instruments (ACB based) keeping only Zenology and Zenology based modules. Abandoning projects is something they have been done over and over in the past.

The main component to what makes the Fantom EX Update and GALAXIAS both really exciting is entirely based on ACB technology. Rest assured have no plans of fading ACB out!

The last new instrument was:
https://www.rolandcloud.com/news/the-jupiter-4-is-here
That was almost 1 and half year ago…

Hello again Atlatnesiti! Just to be clear, we never claimed there would b a strict timeline for when we would relase new Legendary Instruments. But since then we've made an effort to improve on what we have released so far and we are in a great position for a new release to come out.

At some point Roland needs to think about audio quality and the great legacy left by the early guys. The Alpha wheel, D Beam, Handsonic, man all that shit was cool as hell. Now when I opened Galaxy thing the first thing I noticed is that even Zenology just sounds awful. Something wrong with the EQ curve, filters, processing chain. It just sounds awful. And forget about trying to do any drum programming on Zenology kits....compared to MPC Beats, Zenology has delays in the groove man. Roland NOT Grooving. At all. I could never have imagined that.Sad day in history man.

Hey N 4 LIFE, I actually think that Rolands attention to audio quality is incredible and ACB technology is unmatched and stands up to the most powerful synths on the market. Features like the D-Beam are great for hardware, but extremely difficult to replicate in software. The question is how do we represent that kind of creativity and ingenuitiy for our software, and I think GALAXIAS demonstrates a ton of new and refreshing ideas to the eco system.

I don't think a software that does what most DAWS and standalone hosts already do, was SO in high demand.

Hi Vulples777! I think if you explored GALAXIAS you'd find that it has a ton of things to offer that you can't do as easily or seamlessly with a DAW. Most things you can't do at all.

Right now, this is not enough to keep my motivation to stay subscribed up.

That's totally ok! We have no problem with users choosing when they want to have a membership or if they want to have one at all and have built Roland Cloud to accommodate that flexibility. We always appreciate the support.

There has been a grand total of ONE effect plugin released: the Juno Chorus, which is fine and iconic and all, but...Roland? The same Roland that made the Space Echo not releasing their "official" plugin? The same Roland that under the Boss brand has made some of the most appreciated guitar pedals did not think for one moment to release their own virtual stompbox? Roland not releasing a standalone TB303 filter??

These are not only amazing suggestions, but the Space Echo has been floated before and I would love to see it myself!

I think Galaxiass is kind of Analog Lab meets Rob Papen Prisma. I’ll stick with not resubscribing and using Plugin Guru Unify if I want that layering capability, it’s more mature and plays well with third party plugins.

Other than its stand alone only, no VST!
Roland know we only use their virtual stuff to play live....

Hey SLiC! A Daw version will be released very soon. We wanted everyone to get their hands on it and start learning its feature set. Expect DAW compatibility shortly!

[chk071]

Don't bother. Roland have shown, over and over, they don't give a s*** to what users think and want.

Hey fmr! People have been asking for so many of the features you can find in GALAXIAS in a lot of our online communities for a while now. Even in this one! I've seen a ton of support for it so far, and after only two days people are already finding out how they can integrate it in their workflow and how you can hack it for your own purposes. It's actually mostly on KVR and Gearspace where I see users expressing an immediate disdain for everything Roland Cloud releases regardless of what it is.

Doesn't surprise me at all.

[SLiC]

Hey SLiC! A Daw version will be released very soon. We wanted everyone to get their hands on it and start learning its feature set. Expect DAW compatibility shortly!

Problem is I own most of the legendary series outright so I wont be subscribing to ultimate just to use a host...as this can be used by people who subscribe 'or' people who paid for instruments it would have been nice to have a paid option and non subscription demo.

[Jon at Roland]

Hey SLiC! A Daw version will be released very soon. We wanted everyone to get their hands on it and start learning its feature set. Expect DAW compatibility shortly!

Problem is I own most of the legendary series outright so I wont be subscribing to ultimate just to use a host...as this can be used by people who subscribe 'or' people who paid for instruments it would have been nice to have a paid option and non subscription demo.

Totally get that SLiC! With the initial release we felt that because GALAXIAS requires a large chunk of the Roland Cloud library, that only an Ultimate Membership would work to demonstrate its full potential. We haven't explicitly intended to keep it as an Ultimate Membership only and are totally open to exploring future options. But for now this is the best option to demonstrate what it can do. Appreciate the thoughtful feedback and I'll be sure to mention this to the dev team! Thanks!

[Caine123]

yes the best option for sure. i mean why give others who dont have ultimate membership GALAXIAS. it is for the ultimate people and not for anyone else!

Roland cloud is so awesome! delivering so many awesome products this year already and always being open for future options. awesome support.

[TiLT42]

New member here. Registered because I was interested in this particular discussion as a new subscriber to Roland Cloud. I'm still in my trial period, so I got to try out Galaxias yesterday. Honestly, it isn't what I was looking for from this subscription, but it seems interesting enough that I could see myself using it, particularly for its library management.

But then I saw that it was Ultimate only and lost all interest in a second, closing Galaxias and seeing no point in starting it again since then. I strongly believe that this restriction is a huge mistake on Roland's part, and I want to explain why.

The thing about Galaxias is that, for all but a special customer segment, I don't see a lot of subscribers being swayed to go for Ultimate because of Galaxias. It doesn't strike me as a good sales argument. On the contrary, it seems to work very well as a way to promote the entirety of the Roland Cloud library since the first thing you see upon booting it up is a large collection of Legendary instruments. You can filter this list by what you own or have installed, but that is not the default behavior. Seeing all of this stuff and how close you are to being able to use it is a *massive* untapped marketing tool, in my opinion. Letting people use Galaxias freely with any subscription level (or Pro, at the most) is a great way to upsell people to Ultimate.

Yes, Galaxias's strength is in combining your entire library of Roland Cloud products, and that is exactly why it should be available to the lower tiers as well. By making the Legendary instruments and other exclusive Ultimate libraries so easy to see and so simple to access, you'd be tempting your users to upgrade on a daily basis while also keeping them happy with a new musical toy to play around with.

Making Galaxias exclusive to Ultimate is a mistake, in my opinion, one I hope you will reconsider. The presence of Galaxias on the Ultimate subscription will never tempt me to upgrade, but I do know that playing around with it from the perspective of a Pro subscriber did. Make of that what you will.

[Jon at Roland]

Roland cloud is so awesome! delivering so many awesome products this year already and always being open for future options. awesome support.

Glad you think so! I do my best.

Yes, Galaxias's strength is in combining your entire library of Roland Cloud products, and that is exactly why it should be available to the lower tiers as well.

I totally understand what you are saying TiLT42. My name is Jon and I work for Roland Cloud. As I mentioned in my last post. GALAXIAS requires the full Roland Cloud library to demonstrate its full potential. Pro users would be presented with a mostly empty instrument and not a lot of sound options to choose from. As stated above, we haven't explicitly intended to keep it as an Ultimate Membership only forever and are totally open to exploring future options. But for now this is the best option to demonstrate what it can do. Feel free to reach out with any other questions you have and thanks for trying Roland Cloud!

[ChamomileShark]

I hope Jon gets extra danger money for being on KvR.

[Atlatnesiti]

I hope Jon gets extra danger money for being on KvR.

He is on the receiving end of Roland and being here gets all the crap feedback
It amazes me how calm, collective and courteous he is with his responses to some (including mine) rude feedback
Roland doesn’t need to participate on these forums and yet they decided to do so - thumbs up.
Btw; I can’t see anyone from NI or Arturia on KVR…

[Caine123]

with some replies i understand why companies can continue like that, like if we should be thankful, the guys who give them money and get BLANK PR responses and nothing more and still people are happy. the SC50 is still not resizable and many other issues are there. you can check my last responses and then Jon at Roland, it looks like some semi automatic bot responses nothing more. again i got my fun here, i unsubscribed this sh*t cloud cause i got nearly nothing for 2 years and as a long time cloud subscriber you have nothing as a bonus. c'est la vie, im back on this maybe if they release again more interesting things and updates, the rest can still be on the cloud and hope hope hope, actions speak more words mostly than just hoping.

[vulpes777]

I hope Jon gets extra danger money for being on KvR.

I unironically hope so; he's being the face - and mouth - of a company that made an unpopular decision.

Imagine if a Waves community manager was here when they tried and go subscription only.

Big ups to Jon, hope our messages/complaints/suggestions will reach the ears of somebody who can make RC a better experience.

it looks like some semi automatic bot responses nothing more.

Funnily enough, I am involved in other forums, photography is a second hobby of mine besides music, and I can't count the times when a community manager (or whatever the actual name of that role is) has showed up with the exact same points and wording as Jon, and Brian before him, down to the "weekly meetings" and the wildly popular "stay tuned!"

So I believe there's some degree of corporate training involved on how you should correctly engage people on a forum - which of course won't help much if there's an overall disappointment in what your company's doing with their products...

--
Marco