Ableton 12 - Generative MIDI, Multiband Distortion and more

[Trancit]

^^^ but Bitwig is able to read the .fls format, isn't it?
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It is ".flp" format... p= project ...
and it´s absolutely not working for me as when I am working in FLS I 90% use just FLS native FX plugins and they get just empty when loading a project in Bitwig...

As I think many FLS, Ableton and Bitwig users are using many native devices I find it absolutely nonsense and just a marketing gag with these "file" reading of other DAWs other than if you would just restrict yourself with 3rd party plugins but this doesn´t make much sense in any of these DAWs...

Can the workflow be separated into two parts, composition, and sound design, In my opinion, the composing part in FLS is still better than its ALS counterpart, and the sound design in BWS is much more satisfying with the .clap format, Dune, and Hive make it very likable (per note modulation).

This is what i.e. makes the difference between the 2 of us... I call you a nerd (no offense) as you like to fiddle around the most (for me) chaotic way with modular here and rocket science software like RapidComposer there...
I am a very simple guy and I have no interest in making my life complcated...

Second, if there is one thing which makes life harder for me in FLS it´s Patterns and the Arranger... so no, for me Live does better in nearly every aspect...

Third, the only thing I would use CLAP for is to give the middle finger at Steinberg... I am not interested at all in using stuff more modulated as MPE is already offering... and tbh most of the time polyphonic modulation is hard to identify against just automation...
For me MPE finds it way into my work in perhaps 1-2% of all of my modulation/automation needs apart from what is already possible in instruments anyway with the conventinal methods which seem to be mostly forgotten nowadays... everything has to come from outside... why if I can do all of that completely in the plugin...

as far as I know, there is no ALS equivalent for the shared and independently running per-note modulation on XY devices and within their own containers [think]

I think not... nothing I would care about the slightest bit...

ps. "Bounce in place... I never use..." MIDI materials also can be dropped into samplers which is also "bounce in place", and please buy a f*king MIDI keyboard , Ottaviani only uses the white keys on it in A minor, tickling the ivories, and transposes from there, yet he manages well with it

Of course I do have a keyboard and my skills are enough to experiment a bit for trying out sounds when I go through presets...
But I cannot record anything in respectively to solve the chaos I would create when trying to live record would need more work than just "mousing" it in...

Again... none of the mentioned parts are meant negative or offensive... we are just different...
Nerd vs. normalo...

[liquidsound]

It doesn’t matter how many frustrated BW user are here showing the opposite feeling…
Let them be. It demonstrates how good Ableton is and it has been to inspire so many musicians with its lighting fast workflow.

I think Ableton is finally close to the end of a long and necessary turning point started with the painful v8 reality check.

BW users, get some good sunglasses because over here the future is quite bright.

[Stan Navi]

It doesn’t matter how many frustrated BW user are here showing the opposite feeling…
Let them be. It demonstrates how good Ableton is and it has been to inspire so many musicians with its lighting fast workflow.

I think Ableton is finally close to the end of a long and necessary turning point started with the painful v8 reality check.

BW users, get some good sunglasses because over here the future is quite bright.

Sounds like bullsh*t, but ok, it is your opinion.

[liquidsound]

It doesn’t matter how many frustrated BW user are here showing the opposite feeling…
Let them be. It demonstrates how good Ableton is and it has been to inspire so many musicians with its lighting fast workflow.

I think Ableton is finally close to the end of a long and necessary turning point started with the painful v8 reality check.

BW users, get some good sunglasses because over here the future is quite bright.

Sounds like bullsh*t, but ok, it is your opinion.

Check your audio setup. To me it sound correct.

[Stan Navi]

It doesn’t matter how many frustrated BW user are here showing the opposite feeling…
Let them be. It demonstrates how good Ableton is and it has been to inspire so many musicians with its lighting fast workflow.

I think Ableton is finally close to the end of a long and necessary turning point started with the painful v8 reality check.

BW users, get some good sunglasses because over here the future is quite bright.

Sounds like bullsh*t, but ok, it is your opinion.

Check your audio setup. To me it sound correct.

Turn on your limiter, it seems you are clipping and hearing only yourself.

[rod_zero]

At the end of the day bitwig was founded by ex Ableton developers frustrated with their ways and wanted to make their own version of live.

If bitwig wasn't doing anything different from Live I wouldn't see the point of it existing, I am glad they offer something different and also glad Ableton also goes in other directions.

I don't think DAWs should converge towards the same features and workflows, there wouldn't be able to be good at something in particular.

[liquidsound]

It doesn’t matter how many frustrated BW user are here showing the opposite feeling…
Let them be. It demonstrates how good Ableton is and it has been to inspire so many musicians with its lighting fast workflow.

I think Ableton is finally close to the end of a long and necessary turning point started with the painful v8 reality check.

BW users, get some good sunglasses because over here the future is quite bright.

Sounds like bullsh*t, but ok, it is your opinion.

Check your audio setup. To me it sound correct.

hearing only yourself.

no “quite” as it seens

[xbitz]

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As I think many FLS, Ableton and Bitwig users are using many native devices I find it absolutely nonsense and just a marketing gag with these "file" reading of other DAWs other than if you would just restrict yourself with 3rd party plugins but this doesn´t make much sense in any of these DAWs...

Can the workflow be separated into two parts, composition, and sound design, In my opinion, the composing part in FLS is still better than its ALS counterpart, and the sound design in BWS is much more satisfying with the .clap format, Dune, and Hive make it very likable (per note modulation).

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The argument is flawed here (in my case): if the brainstorming is already done in FL Studio with Dune, Hive (using their fx chains), and the drums are sample-based, then the .flp file can be moved to BWS flawlessly (the modulation can be added them in BWS, the fxs can be moved to the plugins one by one from the synths etc. so the project can be developed further nicely ), and even into S1 and Reaper with no problems with the .dawproject file

I understand what gravitates you toward AL, but it wasn't convincing

[Double Tap]

Whennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn is the public beta going to drop ffs?

[Trancit]

The argument is flawed here (in my case): if the brainstorming is already done in FL Studio with Dune, Hive (using their fx chains), and the drums are sample-based, then the .flp file can be moved to BWS flawlessly (the modulation can be added them in BWS, the fxs can be moved to the plugins one by one from the synths etc. so the project can be developed further nicely ), and even into S1 and Reaper with no problems with the .dawproject file

This is what I meant... when I work with FLS I use their EQ, I use Maximus native, I use the internal reverbs etc...
I don´t want to use "just" 3rd party Instruments... in FLS I want to use Ogun, Harmor, Flex, Slicex...this will never be ported over...

If someone wants to use this feature this person has to limit himself to mostly using 3rd party FX other if you just want the raw sounds and their song position...

Anyway, I will never work with multiple DAWs at once not to speak of splitting process steps between multiple DAWs... this isn´t my way and therefore these features (if Bitwig native or DAWproject) are doing anything useful for me... I can easily live without them but for everybody where it works for them and they enjoy it... why not...

I understand what gravitates you toward AL, but it wasn't convincing

This wasn´t my intention... I would never have touched this topic myself... I was just reacting to you...

[elxsound]

Whennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn is the public beta going to drop ffs?

What?

You don’t want to keep discussing FL Studio and Bitwig?

[xbitz]

nah, that's exactly why I left AL behind, I don't know how many years ago...



so it's still a problem,

btw. just opened at a random position

2:23:44 Ableton crashed nah, ok then

[Dirtgrain]

Raise your thumb if you have ever gotten Bitwig to crash.

[liquidsound]

Raise your thumb if you have ever gotten Bitwig to crash.

Ableton doesn’t crash on me and BW just crashes my creativity with the overall look and feel.
So… and even if Ableton crashes it should preserve your work and the disturbance is worth the price of the incredible workflow that Ableton allows from your mind to the speakers.
And never mind M4L incredible universe…

[liquidsound]

nah, that's exactly why I left AL behind, I don't know how many years ago...



so it's still a problem,

btw. just opened at a random position

2:23:44 Ableton crashed nah, ok then

Sorry for you