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Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Sun Nov 19, 2023 9:08 am

hi guys, i read about it a lot and wonder if TS2 is something special compared to Paul Stretch or Ableton, FL Studio's Timestretching? thx

Michael L · Post by **Michael L** » Sun Nov 19, 2023 9:22 am

TS2 is something special

noiseboyuk · Post by **noiseboyuk** » Sun Nov 19, 2023 9:36 am

Michael L wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2023 9:22 am TS2 is something special

I've never found it so. At small deviations its fine, like a lot of other good quality pitch shifters. At longer durations it starts to sound artefacty, and here others do much better. At ultra-long durations its sounds harsh and digital. Paulstretch sounds heavenly and smooth by comparison.

To the OP - there's a free trial of TS2, so try it for yourself.

kidslow · Post by **kidslow** » Sun Nov 19, 2023 10:17 am

If you have Melodyne, does TS2 offer anything different?

And what else can compare with Paulstretch at longer durations? How is gsdsp Magic Pitch? I would think it might prove a worthy competitor. [EDIT: misunderstood the capabilities, not extreme time shifter at all but modulated performative pitch.]

Michael L · Post by **Michael L** » Sun Nov 19, 2023 10:30 am

noiseboyuk wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2023 9:36 am Paulstretch sounds heavenly and smooth by comparison.

Paul is a transformation effect that is designed to sound smooth, but is not an accurate pitch/time stretch. TS2 is perhaps the most accurate of all, but you need to adjust the parameters to fit the source.

cron · Post by **cron** » Sun Nov 19, 2023 10:40 am

I can't speak for FL's timestretching, but I find it a nice addition relative to Ableton's. Paulstretch is different beast to everything else really. More a 'heavenly blur' while other solutions will still attempt to be 'clean' when extreme stretching.

TS2 is more like a timestretching/pitchshifting laboratory than an "it just works" solution. The default settings sound good enough or as good as the next one-click solution (to my ears) on most material, but it's probably not going to be particularly interesting unless you want to get down and dirty picking optimal FFT window sizes and the like. There are a few additional features like the ability to balance tonal/noise components of your signal, but again the quality of these depends on how deep you want to go when matching the highly tweakable SuperVP algorithm to your material. I don't believe SuperVP is used in any DAW, so it's a new timestretching 'flavour' if nothing else.

The manual is, frankly, terrible at explaining what many of the SuperVP functions do in practical terms or why you might want to alter them, containing gems like:

Window Overlapping
Change the window overlapping of the analysis.

... while some functions are missing from the manual entirely (e.g. preservation: none, phase, phase & transient.) Expect a lot of Googling if you want to go deeper and really understand this thing.

martiu · Post by **martiu** » Sun Nov 19, 2023 11:45 am

Hi, TS2 is very deep and high quality FFT processor, one of the big difference compared to Paulstretch is how well it preserves transient information, it is worth having both.
I use it in combination with plugins (it loads vst2 and vst3) and that further increases its functionality for sound design making it extremely deep program with unlimited possibilities.
I use mine to make weird samples from random recordings and i load them into granular samplers after that to get weird gloomy sounds.

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Sun Nov 19, 2023 12:34 pm

thx so much!
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this is exactly what im after. i just did a quick demo of TS2 and when i stretched some simple samples i got a lot of weird artifacts i dont like so much yet. i dunno. how do you process e.g. a sample in TS2? i would love to stretch and mangle and then export and then import in sampler/granular etc. but in FL Studio as DAW not in TS2. i dont want to use it as a dAW.

Michael L · Post by **Michael L** » Sun Nov 19, 2023 1:13 pm

Caine123 wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2023 12:34 pmhow do you process e.g. a sample in TS2?

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MuLab has very good quality pitch/time stretch, and a unique audio sequencer so you can layer and pitch/stretch many sounds within a single track:

kraster · Post by **kraster** » Sun Nov 19, 2023 1:49 pm

Caine123 wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2023 9:08 am hi guys, i read about it a lot and wonder if TS2 is something special compared to Paul Stretch or Ableton, FL Studio's Timestretching? thx

TS2 is deceptive. It's much deeper than it first appears.

It's one of those plugins where a seemingly innocuous parameter can have a dramatic effect on the result. For example, the windowing mode along with the FFT size can really change the results or playing around with the different sliders for transient, tonal and noise can yield some really wild result.

Despite its somewhat stuffy and academic trappings it's an exceptionally musical processor.

It's the opposite to a 'jack of all trades' plugin. It's very much a master of pitch shifting and time manipulation.

Ircam Lab TS2 - Timestretching something unique or Paul Stretch?