Why do people here hate on cherry audio?

[BBFG#]

Well, while the Memorymode may or may not be exact in replication to the hardware, I wouldn't say it was "terrible" because of that (premeditated resentment) expectation.
I owned mine for 11 years. And between Memorymode and DIVA, I don't really miss it.

And I actually like Cherry Audio more now than before. Room for improvement? Sure.

And to move on...
What four of their plugins should be in the next Humble Bundle?

[zerocrossing]

Just curious, do you have a Memorymoog to compare it to?

Yep, I’ve owned a Memorymoog since 1986. I’m not “picking on” CA here, they just didn’t even try to come close, the filters, oscillators, absolutely nothing sounds like a Memorymoog.

lol...

I guess we'll just have to take your word for it then, despite them having a video where they literally compare it side by side to the MemoryMoog they modelled it on (which they say belonged to Chick Corea)

IMO people get strung out on bargain basement pricing, and put up with far more than they should because of that. At least on Mac OS they suck up CPU, don’t sound like what they claim to emulate, and apparently don’t even work in popular DAWs like Logic. It’s very possible the CPU hit and stability are better on Windows, CA is supposedly made up of ex Cakewalk employees.

There's also side by side comparisons for other CA emulations (done by others such as Starsky Carr) which don't quite match your claims here...


Oh, just to make sure: I'm not claiming they absolutely nail it in all regards... some patches are obviously way off - but so are your claims.

The patches are often way off, and the plugin sounds like it’s under a blanket when they’re close. You’re not doing your side any favors by posting this, because basically it proves what we’re saying.

I bet I could get closer to those sounds using Synapse Audio’s Legend. I’ve put it up against hardware Moog filters and it actually fares really well, even when modulating the filter at audio rates.

[machinesworking]

The patches are often way off, and the plugin sounds like it’s under a blanket when they’re close. You’re not doing your side any favors by posting this, because basically it proves what we’re saying.

I bet I could get closer to those sounds using Synapse Audio’s Legend. I’ve put it up against hardware Moog filters and it actually fares really well, even when modulating the filter at audio rates.

The part that bothers me is no patch that really shows the power of the Memorymoog is even attempted. You can to a half ass analog electric piano and clav on near any free VSTi out there. There's nary a moog like sound to be had, and the complex patches really show off how thin the CA offer sounds.

When I downloaded the demo and A/B'd it with the MM here it really gets ugly. Look I don't expect perfection, the other old analog I have is an Oberheim Xpander, and I actually quite like the Arturia Matrix 12 version. It's not perfect, but they get some parts right, and they spent some time dialing in the factory patches to actually sound like the Matrix/Xpander.

[Pictus]

I am not interested in quantity, but quality.
I'd rather spend my time with stuff that sounds better, everyone else sounds better than Cherry Audio.

I hate Spam!

[BBFG#]

... everyone else sounds better than Cherry Audio.

Sincere question -
Who else does a 64 bit VST Memorymoog plugin?

[chk071]

I don't hate Cherry Audio, I just think they could do a better job at modelling the original synths their emulations are based on.

Cherry Audio release new synth like burger in a fast food... quantity vs quality
It's cheap, functional, sterile.

TBH, I agree.

[Pictus]

... everyone else sounds better than Cherry Audio.

Sincere question -
Who else does a 64 bit VST Memorymoog plugin?

Sample based, but it does sound good.


Cherry Audio "Ducati".

[BBFG#]

... everyone else sounds better than Cherry Audio.

Sincere question -
Who else does a 64 bit VST Memorymoog plugin?

Sample based, but it does sound good.


Cherry Audio "Ducati".

I have a couple of samples based libraries and they're okay, but they really don't convince me 99% either. The CA gives me a better response in playing. I've actually moved away from sample based synths in general for that reason. I hope this thread noise being made will get them to improve it in the same way Arturia is doing with theirs. Not sure what makes the Memorymoog such a "afraid to attempt" by the majority of developers doing emulations.

Got to give credit to CA for trying.

[machinesworking]

... everyone else sounds better than Cherry Audio.

Sincere question -
Who else does a 64 bit VST Memorymoog plugin?

The MM is essentially a 6 voice Minimoog with CEM chips, voice modulation and a more brutal filter. You'll get a better emulation out of Diva and probably the Synapse Audio Mini. Arturias Mini among others isn't that great so that won't work. I think the biggest problem with attempting to do the MM is the filter, the feedback is nasty, and that's where the CA emulation falls apart completely.

[BBFG#]

I had a Minimoog also.
A different sound really.
As I said before, Diva gives me the nostalgic feel I get for the MM.

[zerocrossing]

... everyone else sounds better than Cherry Audio.

Sincere question -
Who else does a 64 bit VST Memorymoog plugin?

Not exactly, but The Legend and Minimonsta 2 should get you in the ballpark and sound quite a bit better than Memorymood, IMO.

[machinesworking]

I had a Minimoog also.
A different sound really.
As I said before, Diva gives me the nostalgic feel I get for the MM.

Yeah, that's why I mentioned every major difference between the Mini and Memory...

Diva is as close as I've heard, but I don't own the Legend so I don't know how close that can get. Diva has a feedback circuit, and a CEM oscilator but you only get two. There are all kinds of things to do to get the sound, for instance I'm pretty certain that the Memorymoog and Xpander have the same CEM chips for oscillators, but the raw sound with a basic 4 pole filter on the Xpander opened all the way is entirely different. The Moog oscs sound like a Moog... the preamp in the MM output stage is really big, runs hot, and it takes no extra Pres to boost it into the audio interface here, the Xpander needs a preamp boost.

[anttimaatteri]

cos kevin and chad, who got the originals from their parents as a birthday present and the other day they had to watch that joe and hank from the other school class already got all the chicks by showing their tracks made with the software clones on the last nights dj event

[rj0]

I don't know if I'm taking a middle ground here. I love the sound of analogue sounding synths, but I don't precondition that appreciation to the detailed accuracy to any particular historic synth. Something wrong with me, I'm sure.

... bows out ...

[djb123]

There are much better plug-ins than what Cherry Audio makes. It's that simple. I'm a sucker for buying synth plugins and I have way too many. The ones I keep coming back to and use most often are U-he and GForce. Those are the best. Years ago I got the Arturia collection on a deeply discounted sale and it seemed like a really good deal just based on how much stuff was in it. But only a few of them are actually useful. Many are kind of bland, frankly. The Arturia Juno and the MS-20 are cool, but I'm always going back to Repro or Zebra or Hive or the Gforce Oberheim things.

The cherry audio ones just don't sound as good as the better plug-ins that are out there. It doesn't matter that they're cheap if you don't find yourself wanting to use it.