Available now: Tone2 Icarus v3.2

[tasty tatsyn]

I thought tone2's founder was unwell and had stopped so great to see he's better, and thanks for the free update! Im happy about the new unison feature, that would go well with a voice spread modulator.

FAQ:

Is the upgrade free?
The update to v3.0 is a major update. The upgrade is free for anyone who bought Icarus2 directly from tone2.com after November 2023. All others can upgrade with a big discount.

Do I need to upgrade?
No. We do not use a subscription system. Your current version will continue to work without any limitation.
The upgrade is fully optional. Noone is forced to do it. If you don't like it - simply don't buy it.

Will there be Icarus4:
No. v3.x is the final version.

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When will Icarus3 be available?
It will be available in early 2024.

i really shouldn't be doing this, back to sound design....... this topic gave me some ideas..

[tasty tatsyn]

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[robindrieghe]

can we have this screaming self oscillating filter also in bifilter and filterbank?

[Caine123]

why is the electra3 upgrade price twice as much than the other new upgrades?

[Hanz Meyzer]

While it is cool that Icarus development continues, I can't see any new features for me in the upcoming v3. There is no pre-post switch for the filter distortion, no cross-osc ringmod mix. New filter types are nice, but there are already a lot. Which there was some more "fundamental" or "conceptual" improvement. Curious about the new skins.

[Tone2 Synthesizers]

There is no cross-osc ringmod mix

This is already supported in the current version. To Ring Modulate/AM modulate Osc1 with Osc3 follow these steps

1) Init a patch

2) In OSC1:
Select AM/Ringmod-> AM<-Osc3

3) In OSC3: Set in to ON
Set Osc3 VOL to 0 for AM or to 50% for Ringmod

There is no pre filter distortion

Pre Filter distortion can already be done in the current version.

1) Init a patch
2) Set FIlter 1 and 2 to ON
3) Set filter routing to serial
4) Set Filtertype1 to a Lowpass with cutoff to 20kHz, so that it bypasses the signal
5) Set the distortion type of Filter1 to the one you like (this is now the distortion that is applied BEFORE the signal goes to filter2)
6) Use Filter2 to shape the signal

All I want for Christmas is a random -/+ modulator.

New modulation source: Random+- is a bipolar random sample&hold value that re-triggers on noteOn.
New modulation source: FlipFlop+ is an unipolar value that alternates with every keypress.
New modulation source: White Noise+- is a modulator with biploar white noise.

[Hanz Meyzer]

Yes, I knew that, thanks.

Your first suggestion sacrifies the OSC modulator, I mean a real parallel routing of a ringmod amount of osc 1 and osc 2 outputs. Like in Dune 3 or Synthmaster.

Your second suggestion sacrifies a whole filter module.

I am not sure why you are always coming up with this every time I suggest such features. It is possible, but with a lot of limitation and sacrifices. I also do not understand why you are so resistant when it comes to improve the signal flow in your synth. It good, but it could be much improved, with not so much effort. At least in my opinion. It would not fit in the current GUI layout, but maybe there is a smart and easy way to visualize such extensions.

At least, I cannot see a reason to buy the Icarus 3 update, since I see no substantial improvement in the synth for me.

[Vortifex]

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[Tone2 Synthesizers]

There will not be another ringmodulator added, as the synth already already has plenty of options for this.
Please check out the manual on page 37.

AM / Ringmod

◦ Ringmod Key – Ringmodulation with key tracking applied to the wavetable.

◦ Ringmode Fade – Ringmodulation with a fxed freqtuency applied to the wavetable. The
sound of the wavetable will change in a way that the freqtuency content sounds similar, no
matter what key you press on the keyboard.
TIP This mode sounds similar to a flter sweep. Use the LFO2 knob and MORPH to
modulate the 'flter cutof'.

◦ Ringmod – Ringmodulation with key tracking and stepping applied to the wavetable.

◦ AM Key – Amplitude modulation with key tracking applied to the wavetable.

◦ AM Fade – Amplitude modulation with a fxed freqtuency is applied to the wavetable. The
sound of the wavetable will change in a way that the freqtuency content sounds similar, no
matter what key you press on the keyboard.
TIP Use the LFO2 knob to modulate it.

◦ AM – Amplitude modulation with key tracking and stepping is applied to the wavetable.

◦ AM←OSC3 – Amplitude Modulation between Icarus’ own oscillators.
Select AM←Osc1 inside of oscillator2’s Morphmode menu to Amplitude Modulate Osc2
with Osc1.
Or AM←OSC3 inside of oscillator1’s Morphmode menu to Amplitude Modulate Osc1 with
Osc3.

[Caine123]

why is the electra3 upgrade price twice as much than the other new upgrades?

??? would be cool if this intentional or a bug? i see the upgrades for other synths are 39 euros...

also will the upgrades be available at best service?

[Tone2 Synthesizers]

Please do not post off-topic. This thread is about Icarus. The upgrade price of Electra is higher as it contains a lot more stuff as the other upgrades. You can find the details here:
https://www.tone2.com/electra-update.html

also will the upgrades be available at best service?

Gladiator4 and RayBlaster3 are not available from best service. We also quit several contacts with them as they took extremely high fees from us. We got no interest in further selling upgrades through their channel as it is not economic for us.

[egbert101]

Yes, I knew that, thanks.

Your first suggestion sacrifies the OSC modulator, I mean a real parallel routing of a ringmod amount of osc 1 and osc 2 outputs. Like in Dune 3 or Synthmaster.

Your second suggestion sacrifies a whole filter module.

I am not sure why you are always coming up with this every time I suggest such features. It is possible, but with a lot of limitation and sacrifices. I also do not understand why you are so resistant when it comes to improve the signal flow in your synth. It good, but it could be much improved, with not so much effort. At least in my opinion. It would not fit in the current GUI layout, but maybe there is a smart and easy way to visualize such extensions.

At least, I cannot see a reason to buy the Icarus 3 update, since I see no substantial improvement in the synth for me.

Ultimately it's their synth not yours. Yours are suggestions, theirs isn't. If you don't like how things are implemented, then there are other alternatives.

[tasty tatsyn]

Just my 2 cent and perception on this..

- The developer has a limited amount of time and energy.
- It's a reduced development team.
- They have a big portofolio of synths and Fx's (Electra, Icarus, Rayblaster, Saurus) etc, etc
[some have issues too working with 1 or 2 synths] (i don't know their life and what else they have to do).
- Most of them had frequent and regular updates (imagine all the time spent/invested with a small team)..
- They also do stuff like Sounddesign, UI's, costumers and potential costumers interaction, forum management, interact with associates, create media for products, reply to emails, etc, etc, etc..

Most important, if they do all that and there's a limited amount of time and energy they need to choose what to change/enhance/update.

I too have my wishes, trust me... if i posted all of them it would be a long list, so i reduced it down to what i miss the most (did it in tone2 forum). Don't get me wrong, i too would like other things... and that happens with every VST.
ex: i love soundtoys effect rack but wish it had assignable modulators like mseg's and lfo's sometimes..**often **... besides the hard wired ones. Others wanted plate reverbs...

The most important then is that it's not valid suggestions, but i want something, you want or prioritize something else, another user wants something else and another one wants a diferent thing too.

They need to choose on what to invest the time and resources, see what the synth already has and prioritize some things over others..

[Hanz Meyzer]

Yes, i understand this, there are limited resources. But this happens so often in software dev: there is one concept at beginning which will not be changed anymore, until death. Instead adapting to the present, or also allow development in the concept. I really like icarus 2.5, but that’s why i also want it to be more. If it wasn’t impressive, i wouldn’t care. Ok, this will not happen, first off because marcus finds the current structure good enough. Which is ok.

[tasty tatsyn]

Yes, i understand this, there are limited resources. But this happens so often in software dev: there is one concept at beginning which will not be changed anymore, until death. Instead adapting to the present, or also allow development in the concept. I really like icarus 2.5, but that’s why i also want it to be more. If it wasn’t impressive, i wouldn’t care. Ok, this will not happen, first off because marcus finds the current structure good enough. Which is ok.

That's what many of us want..
They replied about ring mod but not about filter pre-post distortion, so maybe that's something being tought about better amongst many other things like the random -/+ suggestion/request.

and that's the exercise to be made....

All I want for Christmas is a random -/+ modulator.

New modulation source: Random+- is a bipolar random sample&hold value that re-triggers on noteOn.
New modulation source: FlipFlop+ is an unipolar value that alternates with every keypress.
New modulation source: White Noise+- is a modulator with biploar white noise.

Nice!