Ableton 12 - Generative MIDI, Multiband Distortion and more

[xalama qo]

Aah, some midi gold in there! Thanks a million mcbpete! I've got some playing around to do!

[liquidsound]

You should be able to add fades to multiple clips and glue audio together without making new files though.

It is crazy that it is still impossible to do multiple fades, trim or select just 2 or more clips without selecting time or any other clip in between. Maybe it is restriction of the architecture.

do you mean what he is showing at 8:05?

He did it first in Ableton (and it was easier), which he admits it is better in other areas and probably uses more than he’s willing to reveal (after all, he’s making a living teaching BW courses since it’s much harder to become an Ableton certified dude).

Great guy regardless.

[street spirit]

I think this is their biggest overall upgrade version since comping in 11. Just wow. They been busy in Berlin.

[Yorrrrrr]

Yes. To me 12 feels bigger than 11 or 10 ever was. So many needed QOL improvements all over. I'm astounded by the new MIDI editor possibilities alone.

[SHall1000]

At last! Music Radar have published an article:

Ableton Live vs Bitwig Studio: which is the best DAW for you?
https://www.musicradar.com/news/ableto ... wig-studio

Now people can just read this and stop all the bickering.

[Yorrrrrr]

At last! Music Radar have published an article:

Ableton Live vs Bitwig Studio: which is the best DAW for you?
https://www.musicradar.com/news/ableto ... wig-studio

Now people can just read this and stop all the bickering.

TLDR:

Live wins in:

Devices
Working with audio
External control
System compatibility

Tie

Workflow
Working with MIDI

Bitwig wins in:

User interface
Stability
Value for money

[SLiC]

At last! Music Radar have published an article:

Ableton Live vs Bitwig Studio: which is the best DAW for you?
https://www.musicradar.com/news/ableto ... wig-studio

Now people can just read this and stop all the bickering.

TLDR is:

Live wins in:

Devices
Workflow
Working with audio
External control
System compatibility

Tie

User interface
MIDI

Bitwig wins in:

Stability
Value for money

So Live 12 wins then
I love ‘em both

[liquidsound]

At last! Music Radar have published an article:

Ableton Live vs Bitwig Studio: which is the best DAW for you?
https://www.musicradar.com/news/ableto ... wig-studio

Now people can just read this and stop all the bickering.

You need to admire the carefully “walking on broken glass” review

[Trancit]

...
Bitwig wins in:

User interface
Stability
Value for money

Mostly agree, but behind the last one I would put a huge question mark...

Sure Bitwig cost less initially but
1. if you want to stay more or less up to date (what I think the most will do) it´s far more expensive as Live and you easily pay the difference and much more over the years

and 2. do you get much much less value in terms of quality devices and packs...
Most of the content of Bitwig to me is utterly crap and it´s quite easy to throw in a lot of devices just for having devices without thinking too much...

For me, the difference between Ableton and Bitwig devices is that the Abe´s (equally to Reason) seem to invest a lot of time and fine tuning to make their devices work perfectly directly out of the box with how they setup available parameters, GUI etc...
Bitwig just make "mathematically" correct devices and it´s up to the user to get anything good sounding out of them...

Additionally they do not care a lot about the feature set of their devices like releasing initially 3 Delay devices which all aren´t capable out of the box to do a simple PingPong delay...

A Sampler without time stretch and slicing... or the fact alone that they copy over the Selector feature of the sampler but instead of make a 128th scaling like Ableton where basically one unit can equal one selected sample, they are lazy a put a percent scaling on this knob... now it´s up to you how to manage to cycle through 128 samples with a percentual scale...
Laziness and the refusal to think a tiny bit further isn´t "value" for me...

The Reverb is absolutely crap... with the excuse well you can throw in a bunch of other devices in the feedback and device chain to try to make a better sounding one out of it... No! That´s the developer´s job!

The only ones who are getting more "value" out of Bitwig than out of Live are the Modular nerds but for the "normal people" Ableton has much much more to offer...

Just imagine the incredible amount of free M4L devices out there which alone raise the bar to perhaps a level Bitwig will never reach... in Bitwig there are just "presets" what´s possible with Bitwig at it´s current level...
In Ableton with M4L gifted people can add functionality which isn´t already there and expand this way the programm nearly limitless...

[xbitz]

^^^ If you do the mastering yourself, then the starting price for Bitwig is about 2000-2500 euros, as can be clearly seen in Protoculture's project on SonicAcademy

Screenshot 2023-11-21 at 10.16.52.png

but I like the result of it , even though he used ANA instead of U-he synths (.clap ones)



but another problem is that those instruments which run from the Grid and sound good take up 30% of the CPU, somewhat similar to Diva, only its load can be distributed, or the .clap architecture does that across different cores.

ps. btw. Enrage (has 50% BF price https://www.boomlibrary.com/sound-effects/enrage/ ) has the similar polymodular architecture as Bitwig has and can be used in any DAW
https://www.boomlibrary.com/manuals/00_ ... V1.4.0.pdf

[justinsomuch]

the yearly updates with bitwig is such a turn off to switch

[justinsomuch]

doesn't seem worth the $200 upgrade fee just to get some browser filtering,midi roll updates, and some more synths. At least in 11 they added lanes. I feel like these should of just been a 11.5 update and 12 should include innovated features.

[liquidsound]

doesn't seem worth the $200 upgrade fee just to get some browser filtering,midi roll updates, and some more synths. At least in 11 they added lanes. I feel like these should of just been a 11.5 update and 12 should include innovated features.

The Tagging and Similar Sound feature is a tremendous workflow improvement and the Pianoroll functions as well.

$200 for me is a gift but for you, perhaps, are insignificant and, as such, it would have make no difference even if it was a 11.5 upgrade then…

[SLiC]

doesn't seem worth the $200 upgrade fee just to get some browser filtering,midi roll updates, and some more synths. At least in 11 they added lanes. I feel like these should of just been a 11.5 update and 12 should include innovated features.

Plus...

Clip edit and rack at same time (Stacked Detail Views)
Live’s Mixer in Arrangement View
Keys and Scales throughout
MIDI Transformations & Generators (a lot more interesting and useful that they sound!)
Multiband Distortion
Sound Similarity Search (like XO/ATLAS)
New MAX Tools
New Clip Scale
Expanded probability
New tunings and most devices made MPE
Granulator III
Much, much better modulation!

etc...

[xbitz]

the release notes is public one https://www.ableton.com/en/release-notes/live-12-beta/