VPS Avenger 2.4 [RELEASED - FAQ in OP]

[DCrown]

definately not, no

the official price without sale is a bit higher than 99€
however with BF and Xmas discounts you will be around 85-89€

Are we talking upgrade prices or new customers there?

That's clearly the upgrade price. Current price without sale is €210, a brand new v2 without sale is not going to be €109 is it?

For 90€ I wouldn’t update yet, saves me also money because I can’t use new expansions.
Maybe next year there could be a better upgrade price. Avenger often was on sale for 99€ - there are much nice offers this Black Friday. Haven’t used Avenger that much. The new features sound good on paper, but for 90€ update I have to think about, if I need it yet. I have many expansions but don’t use avenger that much, I prefer good analog emu, like U-He, Gforce, Tal, Softube where Avenger isn’t comparable soundwise, and I am sure V2 won’t raise the bar.
For me is the new Ableton 12 and UAD signature update more attractive and Arturia collection 10 is around the corner.

Avenger is THE analog beast without promoting to imitate or emulate Synth X or Y as far as some xps are concerned and gives you tons of features to make it sound as anolog as you want to.
Avenger's analog power imo is kind of uniquer and not something you have already heard a thousand times.
My absolut limit is €60 for v2 upgrade, though,
I have bought many xps and don't get any loyal customer bonus?! I am fine with V1.
Maybe in three years the pricing will be better. Some other devs are more customer service like fabfilter, for every purchase the next purchase will become cheaper, even Plugin Alliance gave loyalty vouchers despite of low sale or bf prices.

[noiseboyuk]

Probably upgrades will be cheaper in a year or two, but I think I'll likely get this now. In part because there's nothing else I really want this Black Friday - I have so much STUFF. In general these days I prefer getting upgrades to existing things I already know rather than have to learn yet another new gizmo.

The deal sweetener would be a free XP thrown in, but not expecting that.

[sacer]

definately not, no

the official price without sale is a bit higher than 99€
however with BF and Xmas discounts you will be around 85-89€

Are we talking upgrade prices or new customers there?

That's clearly the upgrade price. Current price without sale is €210, a brand new v2 without sale is not going to be €109 is it?

For 90€ I wouldn’t update yet, saves me also money because I can’t use new expansions.
Maybe next year there could be a better upgrade price. Avenger often was on sale for 99€ - there are much nice offers this Black Friday. Haven’t used Avenger that much. The new features sound good on paper, but for 90€ update I have to think about, if I need it yet. I have many expansions but don’t use avenger that much, I prefer good analog emu, like U-He, Gforce, Tal, Softube where Avenger isn’t comparable soundwise, and I am sure V2 won’t raise the bar.
For me is the new Ableton 12 and UAD signature update more attractive and Arturia collection 10 is around the corner.

Avenger is THE analog beast without promoting to imitate or emulate Synth X or Y as far as some xps are concerned and gives you tons of features to make it sound as anolog as you want to.
Avenger's analog power imo is kind of uniquer and not something you have already heard a thousand times.
My absolut limit is €60 for v2 upgrade, though,
I have bought many xps and don't get any loyal customer bonus?! I am fine with V1.
Maybe in three years the pricing will be better. Some other devs are more customer service like fabfilter, for every purchase the next purchase will become cheaper, even Plugin Alliance gave loyalty vouchers despite of low sale or bf prices.

I never get this feeling of analog with avenger - if I play a Softube sh101, uad minimoog, Tal Mod or even diva I get it his kind of sound and vipe that most modern synths like pigments, avenger, rapid or serum can’t deliver. Only Dune3 and Massivex are coming close to my preferred kind of analog sound.
Maybe there are different expectations and personal taste, but avenger sounds like most standard softsynths like ANA2, SynthMaster, Serum and Nexus….

[sihoja]

75 is a nice number

[m-ac]

definately not, no

the official price without sale is a bit higher than 99€
however with BF and Xmas discounts you will be around 85-89€

Are we talking upgrade prices or new customers there?

That's clearly the upgrade price. Current price without sale is €210, a brand new v2 without sale is not going to be €109 is it?

No actually, its not clear. The synth has regularly been on sale at half price. You can also buy a lot more synth for your money now so he may have dropped the RRP. So no, he could have quite easily meant V2 of the synth would be on sale for 85-89€ during BF.

FWIW, 85-89€ is far too high of a discounted upgrade price in my opinion and I doubt I'm alone in thinking that.

[noiseboyuk]

definately not, no

the official price without sale is a bit higher than 99€
however with BF and Xmas discounts you will be around 85-89€

Are we talking upgrade prices or new customers there?

That's clearly the upgrade price. Current price without sale is €210, a brand new v2 without sale is not going to be €109 is it?

No actually, its not clear. The synth has regularly been on sale at half price. You can also buy a lot more synth for your money now so he may have dropped the RRP. So no, he could have quite easily meant V2 of the synth would be on sale for 85-89€ during BF.

FWIW, 85-89€ is far too high of a discounted upgrade price in my opinion and I doubt I'm alone in thinking that.

This is a thoroughly pointless argument (what on KVR?) but I'm going to be a pedant here since it was crystal clear for the exact reason I said it was, helpfully boldened for you to reference Manuel's pertinent words. Manuel specifically said the price without sale, why are you comparing with half price sales?

[Musical Gym]

All will be revealed.

[bmanic]

definately not, no

the official price without sale is a bit higher than 99€
however with BF and Xmas discounts you will be around 85-89€

Are we talking upgrade prices or new customers there?

That's clearly the upgrade price. Current price without sale is €210, a brand new v2 without sale is not going to be €109 is it?

For 90€ I wouldn’t update yet, saves me also money because I can’t use new expansions.
Maybe next year there could be a better upgrade price. Avenger often was on sale for 99€ - there are much nice offers this Black Friday. Haven’t used Avenger that much. The new features sound good on paper, but for 90€ update I have to think about, if I need it yet. I have many expansions but don’t use avenger that much, I prefer good analog emu, like U-He, Gforce, Tal, Softube where Avenger isn’t comparable soundwise, and I am sure V2 won’t raise the bar.
For me is the new Ableton 12 and UAD signature update more attractive and Arturia collection 10 is around the corner.

Avenger is THE analog beast without promoting to imitate or emulate Synth X or Y as far as some xps are concerned and gives you tons of features to make it sound as anolog as you want to.
Avenger's analog power imo is kind of uniquer and not something you have already heard a thousand times.

Can't agree with this at all. If somebody is purchasing Avenger for creating analogue like sounds it would be wasted money in my opinion. It's strengths lie completely elsewhere. There are far better options if you want to mimic analogue sounds.

What I personally think Avenger is great at is as a universal "jack of all trades, master of none" type of synth. It's a smorgasbord synth capable of combining a whole bunch of different synthesis techniques under one system, without being too daunting or too difficult to use. It's the closest thing we have to a proper "rompler" while not being one. It's capable of outstanding wavetable synthesis, granular synthesis, subtractive synthesis and has a really fun and easy to use drum sequencer, arp and step sequencer. As a bonus, it also sounds great!

I will definitely upgrade, mainly to show support to Vengenace Sound for keeping the system so up to date with amazing free updates over the years. It's been a great investment.

My only hope is that they've been able to optimize the CPU usage and streamline some of the rather clunky workflow in some areas.

.. oh and hopefully we get a proper keyboard tracking peak filter (a normal EQ peak filter with Q, gain and frequency) at some point. That would make this the most complete synthesizer system since Camel Audio Alchemy..

We'll see what the upgrade price is but as long as it's under 100 euros I will gladly pay it.

[DCrown]

definately not, no

the official price without sale is a bit higher than 99€
however with BF and Xmas discounts you will be around 85-89€

Are we talking upgrade prices or new customers there?

That's clearly the upgrade price. Current price without sale is €210, a brand new v2 without sale is not going to be €109 is it?

For 90€ I wouldn’t update yet, saves me also money because I can’t use new expansions.
Maybe next year there could be a better upgrade price. Avenger often was on sale for 99€ - there are much nice offers this Black Friday. Haven’t used Avenger that much. The new features sound good on paper, but for 90€ update I have to think about, if I need it yet. I have many expansions but don’t use avenger that much, I prefer good analog emu, like U-He, Gforce, Tal, Softube where Avenger isn’t comparable soundwise, and I am sure V2 won’t raise the bar.
For me is the new Ableton 12 and UAD signature update more attractive and Arturia collection 10 is around the corner.

Avenger is THE analog beast without promoting to imitate or emulate Synth X or Y as far as some xps are concerned and gives you tons of features to make it sound as anolog as you want to.
Avenger's analog power imo is kind of uniquer and not something you have already heard a thousand times.

Can't agree with this at all. If somebody is purchasing Avenger for creating analogue like sounds it would be wasted money in my opinion. It's strengths lie completely elsewhere. There are far better options if you want to mimic analogue sounds.

What I personally think Avenger is great at is as a universal "jack of all trades, master of none" type of synth. It's a smorgasbord synth capable of combining a whole bunch of different synthesis techniques under one system, without being too daunting or too difficult to use. It's the closest thing we have to a proper "rompler" while not being one. It's capable of outstanding wavetable synthesis, granular synthesis, subtractive synthesis and has a really fun and easy to use drum sequencer, arp and step sequencer. As a bonus, it also sounds great!

I will definitely upgrade, mainly to show support to Vengenace Sound for keeping the system so up to date with amazing free updates over the years. It's been a great investment.

My only hope is that they've been able to optimize the CPU usage and streamline some of the rather clunky workflow in some areas.

.. oh and hopefully we get a proper keyboard tracking peak filter (a normal EQ peak filter with Q, gain and frequency) at some point. That would make this the most complete synthesizer system since Camel Audio Alchemy..

We'll see what the upgrade price is but as long as it's under 100 euros I will gladly pay it.

I completely disagree, Avenger sounds even more analog than most analog hardware synths, that's the magic of Avenger.
Vengeance has a pretty high price for their expansions and if users who paid a lot for a lot of expansions without getting any bonus, then it's not the most custerfriendly dev, it's simply greed, that doesn't derserve to be supported imo
And no one can tell if the plugin will still be maintained in 3 years anyway

[zvenx]

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What I personally think Avenger is great at is as a universal "jack of all trades, master of none" type of synth. It's a smorgasbord synth capable of combining a whole bunch of different synthesis techniques under one system, without being too daunting or too difficult to use. It's the closest thing we have to a proper "rompler" while not being one. It's capable of outstanding wavetable synthesis, granular synthesis, subtractive synthesis and has a really fun and easy to use drum sequencer, arp and step sequencer. As a bonus, it also sounds great!

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This!!!
Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion but anyone who says this sounds even more analog than analog hardware... well...
I can say no more.
rsp

[Musical Gym]

I don't even consider buying the expansions because of the high price tag.

[simmo75]

Someones all hopped up on Avenger-balls.... More analog than an analog synth, lol!

[Musical Gym]

Avenger nog with a Vengeance

[DCrown]

You can't compare Avenger to a hardware unit because it's not emulating a hardware unit, Avenger is the new analog! It's an emulation of a new analog creation containing more than enough features to make it sound as amalog as you want to.
Your confusion is not being able to say it sounds or it doesn't sound exactly like for example Mini Moog, but that's not what Avenger is.

[DCrown]

I don't even consider buying the expansions because of the high price tag.

Exactly. If they at least made some bonus, then people might be tempted to buy like 3% bonus per xp for next purchase.
You bought 5 expansions and the next purchase could get a bonus of 15% for example , but there is "nada".