VPS Avenger 2.4 [RELEASED - FAQ in OP]

[bmanic]

You can't compare Avenger to a hardware unit because it's not emulating a hardware unit, Avenger is the new analog! It's an emulation of a new analog creation containing more than enough features to make it sound as amalog as you want to.
Your confusion is not being able to say it sounds or it doesn't sound exactly like for example Mini Moog, but that's not what Avenger is.

[kraster]

You can't compare Avenger to a hardware unit because it's not emulating a hardware unit, Avenger is the new analog! It's an emulation of a new analog creation containing more than enough features to make it sound as amalog as you want to.
Your confusion is not being able to say it sounds or it doesn't sound exactly like for example Mini Moog, but that's not what Avenger is.

I'm trying to parse this to make any kind of sense but I'm at a loss.

Analogue synths are a well defined thing. By definition an analogue synth IS hardware.

A digital analogue synth is an oxymoron a digital synth can only ever be an emulation of an analogue synth.

[DCrown]

You can't compare Avenger to a hardware unit because it's not emulating a hardware unit, Avenger is the new analog! It's an emulation of a new analog creation containing more than enough features to make it sound as amalog as you want to.
Your confusion is not being able to say it sounds or it doesn't sound exactly like for example Mini Moog, but that's not what Avenger is.

I'm trying to parse this to make any kind of sense but I'm at a loss.

Analogue synths are a well defined thing. By definition an analogue synth IS hardware.

A digital analogue synth is an oxymoron a digital synth can only ever be an emulation of an analogue synth.

It is an emulation of a newly defined analog creation. That's called innovation.
Back in the day horses were vehicles, so as to your definition cars are no vehicles, ok, I see.

[kraster]

You can't compare Avenger to a hardware unit because it's not emulating a hardware unit, Avenger is the new analog! It's an emulation of a new analog creation containing more than enough features to make it sound as amalog as you want to.
Your confusion is not being able to say it sounds or it doesn't sound exactly like for example Mini Moog, but that's not what Avenger is.

I'm trying to parse this to make any kind of sense but I'm at a loss.

Analogue synths are a well defined thing. By definition an analogue synth IS hardware.

A digital analogue synth is an oxymoron a digital synth can only ever be an emulation of an analogue synth.

It is an emulation of a newly defined analog creation. That's called innovation

If it's a newly defined analogue creation it must exist in analogue form and not digital.

How can something "emulate" something that doesn't even exist?

[DCrown]

You can't compare Avenger to a hardware unit because it's not emulating a hardware unit, Avenger is the new analog! It's an emulation of a new analog creation containing more than enough features to make it sound as amalog as you want to.
Your confusion is not being able to say it sounds or it doesn't sound exactly like for example Mini Moog, but that's not what Avenger is.

Wake up, it's not stone age any more lol

[DCrown]

You can't compare Avenger to a hardware unit because it's not emulating a hardware unit, Avenger is the new analog! It's an emulation of a new analog creation containing more than enough features to make it sound as amalog as you want to.
Your confusion is not being able to say it sounds or it doesn't sound exactly like for example Mini Moog, but that's not what Avenger is.

I'm trying to parse this to make any kind of sense but I'm at a loss.

Analogue synths are a well defined thing. By definition an analogue synth IS hardware.

A digital analogue synth is an oxymoron a digital synth can only ever be an emulation of an analogue synth.

It is an emulation of a newly defined analog creation. That's called innovation

If it's a newly defined analogue creation it must exist in analogue form and not digital.

How can something "emulate" something that doesn't even exist?

It can exist in your head. C'mon is it really that hard to understand? It's an emulation of a creation in your head.
Again:
Back in the day horses were vehicles, so as to your definition cars are no vehicles, ok, I see.
I am really surprised about such a narrowed view in 2023, but ok, everyone has the right to think whatever he wants and to see things in all kind of different ways.

[JonSolo]

It is an emulation of a newly defined analog creation. That's called innovation.
Back in the day horses were vehicles, so as to your definition cars are no vehicles, ok, I see.

No... that is not apples to apples. Here is apples to apples-

Back in the day horses were vehicles that were/are living breathing things. Cars are vehicles but are not living and breathing.

Avenger is not analog...no matter how you slice it. It is good, and enjoyable. It sounds fantastic...and digital.

It is really best to not argue analog with SO MANY here who have lined their walls with analog and their floors with cables.

I wouldn't even call Avenger a VA.

[kraster]

You can't compare Avenger to a hardware unit because it's not emulating a hardware unit, Avenger is the new analog! It's an emulation of a new analog creation containing more than enough features to make it sound as amalog as you want to.
Your confusion is not being able to say it sounds or it doesn't sound exactly like for example Mini Moog, but that's not what Avenger is.

I'm trying to parse this to make any kind of sense but I'm at a loss.

Analogue synths are a well defined thing. By definition an analogue synth IS hardware.

A digital analogue synth is an oxymoron a digital synth can only ever be an emulation of an analogue synth.

It is an emulation of a newly defined analog creation. That's called innovation.
Back in the day horses were vehicles, so as to your definition cars are no vehicles, ok, I see.

Every post you make is even less coherent.

A horse is not a vehicle. It's a horse.

A horse can be used as a mode of transport. It can be used to draw vehicles like carts and carriages. But it is not a vehicle.

A car is a vehicle. A truck is a vehicle. ie. It's primary function is to carry people around.

If we applied your analogue synth vs Avenger logic to your horse/vehicle comparison it would be akin to saying the new "Avenger" car is more of a horse than an actual horse.

As previously stated, an analogue synth is by definition a piece of hardware that creates sounds using analogue circuitry. This is contrasted with a synth plugin that uses digital signal processing to create sounds on a computer platform.

Nobody is knocking Avenger's phenomenal capabilities but claiming nonsense about what it CANNOT be is just daft.

[sacer]

You can't compare Avenger to a hardware unit because it's not emulating a hardware unit, Avenger is the new analog! It's an emulation of a new analog creation containing more than enough features to make it sound as amalog as you want to.
Your confusion is not being able to say it sounds or it doesn't sound exactly like for example Mini Moog, but that's not what Avenger is.

If it’s the most analog style synth for you than enjoy - I also have many expansions and hear the opposite

[DCrown]

It is too versatile and has too many features and too many different xps to consider it analog sounding only

[DrGonzo]

This is why I love Kvr

[DrGonzo]

thursday duplicate

[DrGonzo]

control-alt-delete

[Lbdunequest]

Lol if this thread will get locked before VPS Avenger 2 release date

[msvs]

As someone how owns many of the big analog synths of the 80s and 90s, I can tell for sure, Avenger can sound VERY "analog". If you know what you do, you can simulate any complex analog behaviour in the mod matrix. Drifting of OSCs, Random Pitch on start, subtle Noisefloor, slight random changing envelope times, subtle distortion and drive, EQ curves, phase control, waveshape/fft control, vintage ensemble and chorus effects on board (from AA) and you could even import an basic OSC shape from a MiniMoog for example - even if this matters far less, than you might think in theory. Furthermore the Vintage Arts Acoustic filter types Avenger has, can self resonate, have a input sensitive internal overdrive and a instable cutoff modulator. In the end all doesnt matter, since you could also sample your ass off with real analog multisamples in all kind of velocity zones, like some other manufacturers do

But since we don't market it as an emulation for old synths, basically this entire discussion is OT