The vst synths lame test.

[Jac459]

Sure, why not!

Done! Thanks!

[Hanz Meyzer]

Msoundfactory oscs are already aliasfree at 1x oversampling. The oversampling option just is the general melda oversampling thing. Imo you should test it at 1x, and then it will be faster than anything else, yet offering more features than the others.

[revvy]

OP: why are you only testing lame vsts? What about the good ones?

I meant to say my test is lame. Certainly not the synths.
I corrected the title, sorry for the confusion I am not a Native English speaker

The title was ambiguous, not wrong. I was playing with you a little, that’s all

[Jac459]

OP: why are you only testing lame vsts? What about the good ones?

I meant to say my test is lame. Certainly not the synths.
I corrected the title, sorry for the confusion I am not a Native English speaker

The title was ambiguous, not wrong. I was playing with you a little, that’s all

That's what I suspected hehe

[lolilol1975]

OP: why are you only testing lame vsts? What about the good ones?

I think it's his test that he calls lame, not the synths.
Because it's pretty subjective in many ways, and his knowledge of each product can only be uneven.

Exactly.
Is the English incorrect? Should I correct the title?
I am not Native english...

It's not your fault, the language is ambiguous here.
I guess it would be unambiguous with "A lame comparison of my VST synths".

[kraster]

Msoundfactory oscs are already aliasfree at 1x oversampling. The oversampling option just is the general melda oversampling thing. Imo you should test it at 1x, and then it will be faster than anything else, yet offering more features than the others.

I used the merger in FM mode just so it would be similar to the other synths.

As I said above the thing about Msoundfactory is it's so deep that there are so many ways to do things.

You could dedicate an entire thread to just FM in Msoundfactory!

[Jac459]

It's not your fault, the language is ambiguous here.
I guess it would be unambiguous with "A lame comparison of my VST synths".

[Hanz Meyzer]

I used the merger in FM mode just so it would be similar to the other synths.

As I said above the thing about Msoundfactory is it's so deep that there are so many ways to do things.

You could dedicate an entire thread to just FM in Msoundfactory!

Agreed, but I think you can save a lot of cpu calculations by only setting oversampling in the merger module itself, but not globally. Globally is mostly useless in MSF, the oscs are aliasing free already with 1x. Otherwise there was an oversampling option in the osc itself, too.

[Gam456]

surprised you had such a bad experience with Synthmaster 2
that's been my favourite synth for a long time, never have any problems with it and i find it very easy to make crazy noisy patches with it
really looking forward to Synthmaster 3

Well it seems the problem is either me or my system.

I actually like synthmaster2, it has awesome presets and there is an iPad version so you can doodle sounds on the go.

synthmaster 3 looks really promising, almost a new synth

[Jac459]

surprised you had such a bad experience with Synthmaster 2
that's been my favourite synth for a long time, never have any problems with it and i find it very easy to make crazy noisy patches with it
really looking forward to Synthmaster 3

Well it seems the problem is either me or my system.

I actually like synthmaster2, it has awesome presets and there is an iPad version so you can doodle sounds on the go.

synthmaster 3 looks really promising, almost a new synth

Yes, and I will have it for free sure to everything bundle.
Excellent value!

[Hanz Meyzer]

Yes, and I will have it for free sure to everything bundle.
Excellent value!

So do you see the same/similar cpu spikes in Avenger v2 on your m2pro machine? What about memory usage, any changes?

[kraster]

I used the merger in FM mode just so it would be similar to the other synths.

As I said above the thing about Msoundfactory is it's so deep that there are so many ways to do things.

You could dedicate an entire thread to just FM in Msoundfactory!

Agreed, but I think you can save a lot of cpu calculations by only setting oversampling in the merger module itself, but not globally. Globally is mostly useless in MSF, the oscs are aliasing free already with 1x. Otherwise there was an oversampling option in the osc itself, too.

That's what I did. The only oversampling was in the merger itself. Everything else was vanilla.

I'd say I could get a comparable result with the FM module but with less CPU.

The fact that you can do it in so many different ways is mind boggling.

[Jac459]

Interested by Diva and Falcon
But never had such big issues with Synthmaster 2

I added Falcon...

15 - Falcon 3:
CPU: Low.
Usability: Ouch... I really wanted to say that the 3 is better... But somehow the templates didn't work for me. So I restarted from scratch. Finding the analog oscillator was easy. I placed it in the key group as expected (unintuitive, but I remembered this part). Unison was quite easy and standard, placing the filter also (a lot of choices). Placing the LFO was weird. First I tried to place the LFO and drag and drop the title or anything to the filter cutoff. Then finally I managed to do it by creating the LFO "from" the control I wanted to modulate (right click filter cut-off and assign an LFO). Why not... Then the LFO only goes to 20hz... FIrst time I have this issue, not fast enough for the slowing down effect I wanted. Then I found one LFO, the parametric one, going to 50hz... Better. lost a few other minutes on that but anyway. Then I tried to right click on the filter cut-off rate to modulate it through an ADSR. It worked ! The Adsr appears, the multiplier is on 1... all seem good.... But the rate is not modulated. And then for about 10 minutes I tried to understand why... I couldn't and gave up. The rest was ok, filters where good and easy to place. I didn't really tried any modifier/wave shaper on the oscillator, didn't found how to do.
FInal result: sound clean but of course, as I couldn't finish the sound... Not so good.
A shame because like synthmaster, I love this synth to browse presets and modify them... But from scratch is really with a learning curve... Not immediate like phase plant, serum or current.

[Jac459]

16 - Diva:
CPU: Extra high ! The worst so far. I am in accuracy great, not even divine. It is maybe 2.5% times higher than avenger 1&2, the other synth with high CPU usage... So diva is on another level of CPU consumption for me (m2 pro), I use triple VCO, one filter, plate reverb and chorus... And a modulated 12db lpf. And when I put the stack to 6 (unison), then I go to almost 100% cpu. That's insane because normally on this laptop I run everything, like 30 tracks, with filters and effects on every tracks, plus an heavy ozone on the master bus, with limiter, compression, eq and a lot of complex processing and I don't reach this consumption... So basically I tried "draft" which sounds... really horrible to a point it is difficult to work with and finish with fast that was using "only" 50% of my cpu...
Usability: Here I feel I will sound ridiculous but I actually struggled. Fortunately I remembered my previous toying and making sounds with Diva but I don't find it very intuitie. Even to attach the envelop modulation to the LFO rate, is not very intuitive to me even if when you know it, it seems obvious... A very good point though is that as UHe is awesome and implement CLAP, you can also do all this polyphonic modulations in your DAW, and then it become an enjoyable piece of cake.
Sound: ok, a lot of fine tweaking possible but also a lot of limitation due to the nature of "VA" of the synth (which is normal and not a critic).

[DCrown]

Avenger
Spike or cpu depends whether you have mac or. pc. I have pc and maybe only 10 presets ( I don't even use SQ presets) have spikes and high cpu also considering lots of xps! So it's not a general issue.