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masterhiggins · Post by **masterhiggins** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 12:50 am

Looking to upgrade my studio monitors and these are all comparable speaker sizes to what I’m currently using. The HEDDs are significantly cheaper than both Neumann and Genelec, but it has onboard corrective DSP like the Neumanns. Are Genelecs overpriced? I’m leaning towards the HEDDs based on online demos and reviews, but I’m skeptical about the ribbon tweeter.

I don’t have a way to demo any of them in person without buying them. None of the shit music stores in my area carry any of these brands.

Anyone here rocking any of these monitors?

Aiynzahev · Post by **Aiynzahev** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 1:24 am

What are you currently using? What music you mixing?

I haven't owned any of these, but I've heard the Genelecs and all the Neumann line apart from the KH150. Just curious.

Right now I have KH120II and the KH750 sub. Also have some PSI 17m's, Idk if I'll keep them though

Constructed Identity · Tue Nov 28, 2023 1:33 am

I have a pair of Genelec 8040B and I used to have monitors with ribbon tweeters. I remember that the Neumann KH150 were a consideration when I was looking. Ribbon tweeters are better than the standard level of speaker tweeter because they do not color the sound or sound as harsh as some titanium tweeters (my old Yamaha MSP5's). In the end I went with Genelec because I thought they are built to last and A-B-ing high end speakers in a controlled environment, I decided I liked the standard style of tweeter a little better. They are slightly better at position placement in the stereo field.

cryophonik · Post by **cryophonik** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 1:51 am

I can’t be a lot of help since I’ve never owned or used any of the monitors you’re considering, but I do own the smaller Genelec 8020Ds and a 7040a subwoofer and have to agree with this:

Constructed Identity wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2023 1:33 am In the end I went with Genelec because I thought they are built to last…

Seriously, if a murderer ever attacks me in my studio, I’m going to crack his skull open like an egg with one of my Genelecs, then plug it back in and finish my mix while I wait for the cops and coroner to arrive.

e@rs · Post by **e@rs** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:23 am

^

(I also own a pair of 20D's, thanx for the free self-defense tip!)

e@rs · Post by **e@rs** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:52 am

I wouldn't personally get the 8050B, as it's a bit on the old tech side and I read it has some distortion issues. Yet I'd be very interested in an eventual C revision. My advice to the OP is to have a look at other Genelec models.

If I had the budget, I'd probably go KH150.

masterhiggins · Post by **masterhiggins** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 11:37 am

Aiynzahev wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2023 1:24 am What are you currently using? What music you mixing?

I haven't owned any of these, but I've heard the Genelecs and all the Neumann line apart from the KH150. Just curious.

Right now I have KH120II and the KH750 sub. Also have some PSI 17m's, Idk if I'll keep them though

Thanks for responding, Sami!

Shamefully, I have Mackie HR824s MKI that I’ve been using the past 20 years as at that time this was the closest to “high end” that I could afford.

I mainly work on glitchy electronic stuff interlaced with bass guitar and analog drum machines, but lately I’ve been playing with a lot of virtual Modular software like Voltage Modular and Cardinal.

Does the kh120II DSP add any noticeable delay/latency when tracking?

masterhiggins · Post by **masterhiggins** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 12:06 pm

e@rs wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:52 am I wouldn't personally get the 8050B, as it's a bit on the old tech side and I read it has some distortion issues. Yet I'd be very interested in an eventual C revision. My advice to the OP is to have a look at other Genelec models.

If I had the budget, I'd probably go KH150.

Yeah, the kh150s seem to be ideal in almost every way. It appears that Neumann did away with aluminum cabinets for their current iteration of monitors in favor of polycarbonate. I wonder if there’s any real world sonic difference between the material. I’m guessing it’s merely lighter and makes them less likely to be used as a weapon against burglars

andymcbain · Post by **andymcbain** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 12:45 pm

The KH150 are gonna give you objectively stunning performance for monitoring. I'd go for those if the budget allows.

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/foru ... iew.39922/

Aiynzahev · Post by **Aiynzahev** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 1:15 pm

Well if someone offered me a pair of monitors out of those 3 I would without doubt take the KH150.

But is it worth it over the KH120IIs? For electronic music probably yes, especially if you do not intend to use a sub.

As far as latency, any speaker with DSP has latency it’s usually not noticeable, I wonder what the numbers are.

e@rs · Post by **e@rs** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 6:54 pm

masterhiggins wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2023 12:06 pm It appears that Neumann did away with aluminum cabinets for their current iteration of monitors in favor of polycarbonate. I wonder if there’s any real world sonic difference between the material.

It was in one of the official (KH120II?) videos that they talked a bit about this change. Can't remember the exact reason, but they said it has some impact on the sound too.

MartinezNL · Post by **MartinezNL** » Fri Dec 01, 2023 7:28 am

I have genees 8040 and really love them. One thing to consider if you're going for genetic and might wanna add a sub in the future not all genelec subs can go with the non SAM monitors. So you might wanna check one of the SAM genelecs to compare with the ones you're looking for now.

Neumann KH150 vs. HEDD 07 vs. Genelec 8050B