Have we now reached "peak plug in"

[El°HYM]

people are made up by algorithms.

This is true.

[jens]

Re the intial thread-topic:

am I the only one who now and then experiences situation similar to the following:

just about a fortnight ago I was considering to finally purchase Velvet Machine while it was (is?) on sale - but then I thought something along the lines of "hold on - another reverb plugin? Really?" and so I decided against it. Then today I was going through my archived e-mails in search of a certain key I need to install this or that plugin on my new (courtesy of BF) machine, just to find a Velvet Machine key, even though I am sure I never even installed the plugin.

And that's not the first time something like this happened to me (one of these days I'll finally end up testing UA Tails I purchased one or two years ago...

so yeah, for me personally it's basically just pointless GAS for the most part of it - but please don't tell my wife.

[egbert101]

Then today I was going through my archived e-mails in search of a certain key I need to install this or that plugin on my new (courtesy of BF) machine, just to find a Velvet Machine key, even though I am sure I never even installed the plugin.

I was rummaging around in one of my boxes yesterday, and in my mind I was thinking of alternatives to the valhalladsp reverbs, and out pops an Eventide Blackhole pedal I completely forgot about. Oops.

[havran]

As long as there is value in making art for the artist himself, the musician will never get obsolete.

What do you mean by "value"?

If cats have something to say, don't they just say it?

[havran]

as im nearly 50, i find it very hard to care, what people will be listening to, in 100 years.

Had no idea you were still so relatively young.

As for me, as long as I can get some feedback from my potential selves at least a few seconds out in my personal probability cloud . . . well, now I'm thinking that might be a little short-sighted.

However, it could also be said that I haven't listened to new music or read any new books in years -- so why are other people even engaged in such activities?

[MogwaiBoy]

Choice is good, I say. Competition is also good.

20 years ago the price of plugins were insane, there weren't many of them - and they all aliased

Choice, quality and innovation in the plugin scene has been remarkable especially over the last 5/6 years.

You could say the distortion plugin market was 'saturated'

[Synthman2000]

As long as there is value in making art for the artist himself, the musician will never get obsolete.

What do you mean by "value"?

If cats have something to say, don't they just say it?

Spiritual, emotional, educational, satisfying, enjoyable, life enhancing, expression, progressing, meditational, fun, inspiring, something to talk about on KVR.

You do experience those things.... don't you ? It seems more people don't than I expected.

What a ridiculous analogy, from a wonderful yet in many ways somewhat less sophisticated species. Cats have feelings in fact they are sponges pulling in from what is happening around them.

They also have empathy. You need empathy to understand human value.

It's quite interesting, as one of the suggestions surrounding AI is that humans will have to better understand themselves, if willing. To understand what it is to be human we are not f****** machines or cats for a start. I start to get the impression that those of a more cold less emotional disposition are more like to embrace AI and put it on a pedestal more.

Right now for anything music, it's trash and I have seen no mind blowing example of its superiority. Until I hear music which moves me and is as well mixed and spits out 24/96 wavs as top level productions I won't pay it attention. And even then there is no story so I will ignore it. It cannot convey emotion as it does not and will never have human emotions.

AI is dead, inanimate. It's maths on a server, never forget that, ever. And never let marketeers manipulate you into thinking otherwise

If it is intelligent surely 100pct alias free 24/96 100pct perfect masters are achievable right. Wrong. It cannot even do what we can deem technical perfection right, at least from a purely mathematical perspective, never mind emotional.

It just has this boring emptiness I cannot put my finger on. Sonic, nonsensical thrown together garbage, that sums it up. It is cold, empty and has no meaning. There is no history of experience behind it making it fundamentally empty. Give me silence over AI music, much, much more valuable.

It takes all sorts I guess and what you become is in large part what you have experienced in life.

Give me a cat over the AI any day.

Your consciousness took 4.6 billion years to evolve, remember that. And do not believe through being brain washed it is replaceable.

[Michael L]

Give me a cat over AI any day.

T-shirt!

[egbert101]

Cats are NOT inferior they are superior species. I say this as a cat.

[El°HYM]

Matter of fact; cats are watching us from outer space. There are pictures of them too, shooting Lasers at each other, or even Planets.

[martiu]

still no comb filters with bit crushed granular delay lines, so no

[Gam456]

I believe we have reached 'peak synth' and now 'peak plug in' you can probably get 4-7 versions of any classic gear and at least one very good version of pretty much anything you can think of.

I'm always looking for my next delay or reveb
Hi. I'm an addict !

[Uncle E]

Spiritual, emotional, educational, satisfying, enjoyable, life enhancing, expression, progressing, meditational, fun, inspiring, something to talk about on KVR.

Plugins/DAW’s/workflows that are enriching in these ways are worth discussing. Can you make a separate thread about it?

[zerocrossing]

I believe we have reached 'peak synth' and now 'peak plug in' you can probably get 4-7 versions of any classic gear and at least one very good version of pretty much anything you can think of.

This is the phenomena known as "doomsday narcissism." You want to be at the end of the story. It makes you feel special. We are not at the end of the story, and we are not special. Your experience has closed you off to the possibilities of what synthesis can be. It can be more, and it will.

I don't want anything, that's the point. The end of the story is the end of my life.

'Doomsday narcissism' as you term it has never been heard of here, that's a box someone made that you have accepted as a thing.

We all have an end of the story and it is nothing to do with want.

I could spend 40 years discovering new things with my existing synths at the rate I can currently use them. New synthesis will not make better music.

My advice is make something stunning with the synths you have now.

I know it feels bad to be called out for something, but you clearly have some need to feel like you’re a the end of something, in this case it’s the development of music software. Don’t feel bad. This is common. Development will go on regardless as to your feelings about it. I’m personally excited at the possibilities, many of them I’m sure I can’t even imagine, of new plugins.

[zerocrossing]

I use a lot of hardware synthesizers because they go places that software can’t. I know the software crowd will dispute this, but it is totally true. For instance, there is not a convincing analog emulation that can do the kind of polyphonic per-voice morphing that my PolyBrute or Nina can do. So, right off the top of my head, I’d like a plugin that can sound convincingly analog in every way, have great FM, including audio rate modulation of the filter cutoff, dual filters, and let me create a-b states in a preset that I can arbitrarily morph between, per voice, using polyphonic aftertouch. If your music doesn’t have needs beyond making sounds that you heard on a New Order song, then you’re probably right to think there’s no need for further development.