Is talent born or created with hard work and practice

[vurt]

I'll just leave this 'ere;

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/information-entropy/

 

That Maxwell Demon seems like it's what bred vacuum tubes/transistors.

 

Given that Maxwell also codified the workings of electromagnetism properly for the first time, then he played a huge part for sure.

The reason I raised information theory is that in the wonderful and bonkers world of modern physics, it's been posited that information exists as a physical quantity rather akin to heat or light. Whether a lot of this is empirically proven, or indeed how it pertains to 'memory', or physical 'laws', I'm not sure. I'm no expert, but as an interested nerdy science layman I find it all hugely fascinating..

as a boffin, where do you stand on the "sun remembers to rise" idea? yay or get ta f**k!?

[VOODOO U]

I'll just leave this 'ere;

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/information-entropy/

 

That Maxwell Demon seems like it's what bred vacuum tubes/transistors.

 

Given that Maxwell also codified the workings of electromagnetism properly for the first time, then he played a huge part for sure.

The reason I raised information theory is that in the wonderful and bonkers world of modern physics, it's been posited that information exists as a physical quantity rather akin to heat or light. Whether a lot of this is empirically proven, or indeed how it pertains to 'memory', or physical 'laws', I'm not sure. I'm no expert, but as an interested nerdy science layman I find it all hugely fascinating..

I agree it's fascinating and bookmarked the link for further root working.
In my opinion though, light *is* physical which would mean, yeah...information is physical *or* it travels throigh physical means. I think it was Walter Russell who stated the Mind uses light to store memtal information. So Sunlight reaching plants is akin to connecting a storage device to a computer for information installation.
I also read somewhere light is the first element before air/gas meaning mineral is a density of light.
Crystal is a mineral so.....twilight zone theme.
Shit now you got me started. Cool link!

not all plants require soil

Fake plants don't count.

[donkey tugger]

I'll just leave this 'ere;

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/information-entropy/

 

That Maxwell Demon seems like it's what bred vacuum tubes/transistors.

 

Given that Maxwell also codified the workings of electromagnetism properly for the first time, then he played a huge part for sure.

The reason I raised information theory is that in the wonderful and bonkers world of modern physics, it's been posited that information exists as a physical quantity rather akin to heat or light. Whether a lot of this is empirically proven, or indeed how it pertains to 'memory', or physical 'laws', I'm not sure. I'm no expert, but as an interested nerdy science layman I find it all hugely fascinating..

as a boffin, where do you stand on the "sun remembers to rise" idea? yay or get ta f**k!?

It certainly wouldn't be 'memory' as we think of it in an anthropomorphic way, as part of a 'consciousness ' (which is a whole other huge vat of worms of course..) or electronic storage, but maybe physical laws do depend on information. Way over my pay grade. This lad seems to think so;

https://www.maths.cam.ac.uk/features/in ... ws-physics

[VOODOO U]

Yea Its hard to grasp because we do anthropomorphisize everything. Memory goes beyond just remembering a phone call

[vurt]

I'll just leave this 'ere;

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/information-entropy/

 

That Maxwell Demon seems like it's what bred vacuum tubes/transistors.

 

Given that Maxwell also codified the workings of electromagnetism properly for the first time, then he played a huge part for sure.

The reason I raised information theory is that in the wonderful and bonkers world of modern physics, it's been posited that information exists as a physical quantity rather akin to heat or light. Whether a lot of this is empirically proven, or indeed how it pertains to 'memory', or physical 'laws', I'm not sure. I'm no expert, but as an interested nerdy science layman I find it all hugely fascinating..

as a boffin, where do you stand on the "sun remembers to rise" idea? yay or get ta f**k!?

It certainly wouldn't be 'memory' as we think of it in an anthropomorphic way, as part of a 'consciousness ' (which is a whole other huge vat of worms of course..) or electronic storage, but maybe physical laws do depend on information. Way over my pay grade. This lad seems to think so;

https://www.maths.cam.ac.uk/features/in ... ws-physics

started reading, then realised, im a bit high, and not even sure id understand it if i wasn't

[donkey tugger]

started reading, then realised, im a bit high, and not even sure id understand it if i wasn't

Surely the wild love wood makes it more comprehensible?

[harryupbabble]

bobby fischer had chess talents evident from age 6?
he loved the game from the start
he later said something like "chess is life"
even though he had talent he still worked superhard
studied like hell
too bad he didn't have kids to keep that talent by way of genetics

[vurt]

started reading, then realised, im a bit high, and not even sure id understand it if i wasn't

Surely the wild love wood makes it more comprehensible?

works for multi dimension or quantum mechanics, so maybe i should have persevered.

i did come round to another question though, more rhetorical i think...

as i grew up in a time and place, where both tom oconnor and ken dodd, were considered to be talented, do i have the previous information, to assess what talent actually is?
bernie bloody clifton too.

[donkey tugger]

bernie bloody clifton

There are some phenomena which science will never be able to explain.

[vurt]

bernie bloody clifton

There are some phenomena which science will never be able to explain.

bet he still turns up at the royal variety show thing, if they still do that?
king and camilla being forced to sit through some ed sheeran and a dancing dog

[keyman_sam]

Talent is a mix of A + B. A is the amount of talent you naturally have. B is the talent you've grown through practice and learning.

[VOODOO U]

Nowadays A+B = "A" is A.I. and "B" is.....actually there is no B.

[trewq]

There will always be an element or moments of ai that sound like ai - forged and simulated. I'm will try not to let it get the better of me.

[BONES]

Talent is a mix of A + B. A is the amount of talent you naturally have. B is the talent you've grown through practice and learning.

B is not talent, it is skill. A is talent, by definition. What you're talking about is ability -

ABILITY = TALENT + LEARNED SKILLS

BTW, you guys do understand that the link Donkey Tugger provided is to a philosophical paper, not a scientific one, right? It is full of stupid assumptions and doesn't work without them. e.g. Maxwell's Demon assumes the operation of the demon requires no expenditure of energy but it must have mass so, frictionless or not, Newton says moving it will require energy to be expended.

[keyman_sam]

True but the problem is it’s a lot harder to separate the two. Where does talent come from? Is it innate ability? Measures by what?

My piano teacher once told me I was the most talented amongst her students. One of her supposedly average students went on to study music full time and is now a full time pianist and can probably run circles around me with his eyes closed. By any measure if you compare us both he’s more talented, is he not? Whatever advantage I had, I squandered away by not practicing music as much as he did.