I love MPOWERSYNTH

[pdxindy]

Yes, that is from the same page which is talking about analog gear for recording... not synthesis. They are different subjects.

The developer may have similar views about synthesis, but they are not expressed in that article.

It's talking about analog gear which includes filters. I was responding to a post which asked for analog modeled filters. Maybe there's a part in the article which specifically says this doesn't apply to filters? Could you point it out to me?

The entire article is about analog recording gear vs digital recording gear. It is not discussing synthesis.

[Held]

The entire article is about analog recording gear vs digital recording gear. It is not discussing which includes synthesis.

Fixed that for you

What's recording gear in your opinion? Microphones? They are and will always be analog.

Anyway, why is that so important to you? Am I treading on your dreams about analog modeled oscillators in MPowerSynth?

[kobal]

analog can sound better depending the needs with the way it behave , i think basically everyhting that is non linear , with 1024 oversampling in melda plugs maybe it doesn t matter but in analog there is a lot hapening at same time that can color the sound nicely, it s not only just about aliasing.

analog emulations will be better and better.. in 10 years plugins will sound even better cause of behaving more like analog.. both technology don t have the same limitation, best of both worlds will give the best sound.. but in 20 / 30 years maybe.. even if today we have very good digital and analog stuff already and since long time..acutally it s maybe all about taste, many people probably love old eventide gears and waldord synths more than analog stuff.. but too remove limitation the best of analog and digital need to fusion toghther digitally at one point.
maybe in 30 years you will have fully audio rate modular daw

[pdxindy]

The entire article is about analog recording gear vs digital recording gear. It is not discussing synthesis.

Fixed that for you

What's recording gear in your opinion? Microphones? They are and will always be analog.

Anyway, why is that so important to you? Am I treading on your dreams about analog modeled oscillators in MPowerSynth?

It's not important to me. I was simply correctly what to me looks like a mistake. Anyway, I'm out, you are starting to go on the attack and that doesn't interest me.

[Held]

It's not important to me. I was simply correctly what to me looks like a mistake.

You did, and I like being corrected when I'm wrong. Thanks for that. Unfortunately, I couldn't follow your reasoning, so I asked for clarification. However, instead of explaining, you simply repeated yourself.

That's not how you have a productive conversation, so I tried another way to get the conversation into more productive territory. I'm sorry you felt attacked because that wasn't my intention.

[Norqa]

Where is Zerocrossing when you need him.
He once loved this Synth and has since done a runner

[kobal]

when you think about it it s crazy thar the guy who didn t know that free running osc could be usefull made some of the best digital sounding osc i have heard, the fm just sound so good, organic, not noisy , not arsh and nice low mid presence but not muddy , clear and detailed, i read somewhere than it use simple biquad filter, and taht wouldbe crazy that even with very simple filters this can be maybe one of the most convincing synth at sounding modern quality analog like some stuff from euro rack.. really on some patchs i can t tell.. it might sound better than my analog itself at fm specially with all the possiblities, it may still lack a little something but i don t care much.. it s good enought for me ..

Melda is imo higlty underated.. their fx would be in a hardware box in the 90s they will be known and praised like eventide

i m pretty sure he could make some of the bets digital filters as well.. if he come with that sound as his first synth wihtout even knowing much about them it seems

[briefcasemanx]

I wish Melda cared more about detailed analog emulation instead of coming out with a new plugin every month.

Vojtech (the developer) isn't a fan of analog emulations and neither am I. If you want analog, Melda plugins probably aren't for you.

Here's a quote from the website

Welcome to the capitalist world, where everyone is telling you which is better not based on which actually is, but what they are selling. The truth is, the only remaining advantage of analogue processing is the fact that there is no latency. But customers don't know that and the companies developing analogue gear are much wealthier than software companies, so they needed to come up with some serious marketing. So now every bad thing about analogue is marketed as an awesome positive feature providing warmth, depth or other descriptive words

The quote from the website is completely idiotic, to be frank. The Melda guy is a very, very good programmer, but many of his ideas simply do not relate to reality. He's lost in his own impenetrable world, like many of DSP plugin guys. It makes them exemplary in some highly specific areas, and woefully deficient in others. Often the deficiency comes in empathy to others experiences, causing them to be extremely stubborn and inflexible. This is not always a bad thing, but much of the time it is, and commonly seems to lead to weird, nonsense business decisions.

I'm sure there are many developers like Urs that could write a tome about how analog processing is useful and novel beyond Melda's often times basic (but very customizable) digital DSP implementations. There's also many, many, many audio engineers who have a much better grasp on aesthetics than Vojtech, that will echo the same sentiment. Unfortunately for Vojtech, music is ultimately about aesthetics, so the artists win out. Weird fundamentalism and zealotry, about how almost everyone else is biased and wrong about analog and only digitally perfect processing sounds good, that does not win out.

I own like 25 paid Melda "MB" plugins as well as the upgraded free bundle, so this isn't coming from a place of hate. I may even upgrade to the total bundle before the sale ends Obviously his work is still useful to me, even as-is.

[kobal]

in digital they have to deal with cpu, aliasing ect.. but in analog world they have to deal with lot of stuff as well .. so i can understand him as not implementing what some guys in analog try to eleminate or have no other choice.. but yes there is lot of great things as well in analog.

lot of the things some guys enjoy about analog, are what some/lot of analog engeiners wanted to eleminate to get closer to perfect audio.. and tbh i think not many old equipment have their place in today music..so in way it s not that bad, what if there is no high? what if there is no transient, what if there is no details ect.. it s the evolution but the extreme is the looking good on graph insteed of by ears.. i think we suffer from this with processing plugins these days with all the aliasing parnoia

[syntonica]

Where is Zerocrossing when you need him.
He once loved this Synth and has since done a runner

He had to sell it to make room on his screen for a couple other smaller plugins.

I gave it another listen, but still not my cup o' tea.

[Effectsworks]

I remember trying it back in the day. But it just never did anything for me and the gui probably didn't help.

For what you can get these days, and as well the 199e price tag it probably does'nt help either.

[kobal]

doubt it s usefull but i think the whole synth can run as a higher rate than novation nco osc, more than 45 megahertz vs 20
one thing that may help also this plugin is the control rate that can be down to one sample accuracy , i don t underdtand all this but i guess it s the maximum possible in digital ? theire is probably things i don t get cause reaktor control rate is pretty low in the settings even a nord modular from 97 the control rate is way higher than r6.
i always used mpowersynth with the controle rate to extreme but i will try to use it in low.. it might be what i don t like in some plugins where the audio rate modulations feel smoothed and not natural / not analog sounding even if these sounds clean of artifact it tend to sound flat and fake ( fake cause the modulation are not sounding digital but also not analog , it s new behavior since some years that my ears can t be used too, i still prefer some old digital stuff with artifacts or analog sound but mpowersynth feel good for me for that, it s one of my favorite for analog like fm that need to sound pure and i don t like when it s dull or the opposite when it get bright and thin, it has a great balance for me )

edit: tested with low control rate and it s not what i tought, or maybe some synth have very low control rate for it to be really a problem, i wonder in massive X for example as it s a synth i find that sound not natural even if it can sound great and it s amazing piece of software, there is something weird in the sound ,like filtered on top and modulation as well.. hard to describe with words

[chrisg]

MPowersynth starts to sound a bit outtated, doesn't it? An overhaul for more fatness and organic sound would be nice.

[a9k1tp]

It's surely not the UI, which is not that great and can be confusing.

But you are supposedly a UI designer. How can you overlook the horrible multi-tab generic hideousness of Melda UIs? Have you gone insane?

Actually some of the demos sound pretty impressive. If Melda would hire a professional UI designer, they could be a major player.

Not only colors and texture, their whole layout need fundamental changes.

[a9k1tp]

MPowersynth starts to sound a bit outtated, doesn't it? An overhaul for more fatness and organic sound would be nice.

It is a type of synth which can do anything. It's user's failure if they can't make fat sounds out of it.