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Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 5:33 pm

It did make me feel better, and I appreciate your blessings in the matter.

ciao,

ahja · Post by **ahja** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 5:34 pm

Great reply dburgan.

Mo Verdigast · Post by **Mo Verdigast** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 5:37 pm

Sicklecell666 wrote:
ahja wrote:Just curious... and I don't mean to offend anyone by saying this, but what makes everyone flock the ambient genre? Is it because you can just load up a reaktor ensemble, press random, crossfade a few samples and call a tune? Or you just sit there fiddling with a sound, drown it in FX and think you're the greatest? Instant gratification maybe? Again, I stress I'm not trying to offend anyone...
I guess it's time I tossed in my two cents:

1st, You're entire post is pretty f**ked up man..You're basically saying 'I don't mean to be an insulting asshole, but I'm gonna be one anyways'.

That out of the way, the reason I've stepped on your sacred toes are these:

I have always been a huge fan of dark ambience, & I don't mean the Vangelis spaced out crap either, I mean specifically the sounds playing in the background of the scene where the woman sees her own corpse in 'Mulholland Drive'. My influences are Morricone & Badalamenti, not Vangelis..I particularly enjoy hearing stuff that has alot of tension & claustraphobia applied to it, and have sought to emulate it for some time, with only very recently decent results. That being said, Reaktor, as you have accused me(and yes, I feel you have singled me out here, so I'll address this whole thing as personal), is my weapon of choice, and the reason you are bent out of shape that these ensembles are used is because through collective experience they are becoming fine-tuned for especially generating these kinds of atmospheres to the point where they are actually usefull..What you are saying is essentially, 'It's not fair..I used to have to walk 10 miles every morning in threee feet of snow uphill to get that sound you are randomising with one button..'

The point that you are missing out on here is that very specific instrument parameters are getting randomized, & these parameters are are selected because of their conduciveness to generating a very specific element. I'm not randomizing a pro-53 & calling it ambient, I'm randomising ensembles of my own creation that were tailormade to perform within pre-determined specs relative to this dark ambient genre. Happiness is simply not generated using my ensembles, & that's what they are all about: dark atmospheric generation. I have ALWAYS wanted to craft these 'enviornments' for as long as I can remember; I am just now getting to a point where I don't feel a strangling paranoia about my tracks getting completely rejected..yet here you are rejecting them on general principles, & false ones at that becuase I wasn't doing this 20 years ago..I'm no f**king kid, man..and I have NEVER called myself a f**king Producer..

And about tracks getting uploaded that are crossfades of randomized recordings, well..I never said that those tracks were to be considered 'songs' at all. I have designated the uploads I considered complete tracks, and the others were designated as 'examples' & 'experiments'. Almost all of my recent uploads have been nothing more than demonstrations of what some of my ensembles are capable of doing in YOUR hands; they aren't tracks in & of themselves. The time I have spent making these in the intrest of persuing my own music creation has been sharply replaced by sharing with my peers here to the point where I simply haven't had any time to do any of my own music, but I don't complain about that, because I've seen much gratitude from others, and I'm highly flattered seeing others use them in their arsenal.

Yet you come along & say what you have..but you don't wanna offend anyone, right?

Go back to treading miles up-hill in the snow, jerk-off.

I apologize for defiling the Sacred Temple with my muddy footprints.

I should have torn the f**ker down stone by stone instead.

ciao,

Wow, thanks for sharing!

Seriously, though, it helps a lot to know where you're coming from. I wish I could be that focused? I like so many kinds of music it's hard to pick just one. But I definitely dig the kind of music you're talking about.

So what are your goals for your music? Do you want to do soundtracks for movies? Video games? Where does this live for you in your future?

ahja · Post by **ahja** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 5:38 pm

Well Sickle. I'm sorry if I offened you, and hope you don't stop creating. but... I haven't even heard your stuff... and wasn't even referring to you. So, I don't know why I'm apologizing at all.

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 5:44 pm

ahja wrote:Well Sickle. I'm sorry if I offened you, and hope you don't stop creating. but... I haven't even heard your stuff... and wasn't even referring to you. So, I don't know why I'm apologizing at all.

Then maybe you should consider the people that lie dirctly beneath sweeping generalized statements & accusations like the ones you have made in this thread.

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 5:46 pm

Mo Verdigast wrote: So what are your goals for your music? Do you want to do soundtracks for movies? Video games? Where does this live for you in your future?

Inevitably, my goal is simply creation. What happens to the music once I hit select 'export mp3' is about as important to me as what happens to my toenail clippings. At that point, I am already in persuit of the next enviornment.

ahja · Post by **ahja** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 5:47 pm

This conversation between you and i ends right here sicklecell. i tried the "virtual handshake", and that's all i can do.

rpc9943 · Post by **rpc9943** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 5:48 pm

uhhh

ROnC

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 5:59 pm

do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

SuitcaseOfLizards · Post by **SuitcaseOfLizards** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 6:02 pm

vurt wrote:do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

Uncle Al loves you!

93!

Nax · Post by **Nax** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 6:08 pm

ahja wrote:Is it because you can just load up a reaktor ensemble, press random, crossfade a few samples and call a tune? Or you just sit there fiddling with a sound, drown it in FX and think you're the greatest? Instant gratification maybe?

Yes.

It is substantially easier now to create this type of music than even 5 years ago. As others have pointed out, the main reason is technology and the access so many people have now to the tools needed for creating this and other types of music.

Only time will tell if this is just a fad or a style that will stay with us for more than the usual 3 - 5 years life cycle of music fads.

One thing is certain though. The next fad will be even easier to create both technologically and compositionally. In a few years we'll have people pointing out that they had to engage randomization features manually and had to actually type in the limiting parameter values in their MIDI controller widgets.

As an off topic issue, randomization does not fit well with the human brain especially in music. The brain expects and even creates structure out of everything it has to deal with. It gets lost and confused very easily with randomness in all aspects of its operation.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 6:11 pm

woolyloach wrote:
vurt wrote:do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.
Uncle Al loves you!

he did indeed,but not in the way your suggesting

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 6:15 pm

So what is your point ahja? You've backed away from ninety precent of the ways your statement can fairly reasonably be taken, but you havent really clarified what you do mean in any way that is satisfactory.

Are you just asking why there is increasingly more ambient here? Because your context immediately spins away from considering a whole load of possible explanations, including the fact that there exists an audience for it here. You predisposed the thread in favour of some sort of disparaging 'because it easy to piss about making wibbling sounds' context. In fact its hard to take a non-disparaging, non-smug, non-elitist context from a single sentence you wrote.

I guess there are as many reasons for people making 'ambient' here as there are people doing it. Not 'everyone' as you claim, and by no means are those who fall under what is a pretty damn the tenuous and loose category anyway all doing the same sort of thing anyway.

Why are you doing it? Why does it bother you that more people are? Do you actually know how they make it at all? Why does it matter to you how they make it? Why do you find it 'sudden'? Why do you find it 'strange' that it might be becoming more predominant on one specific website?

Do you really think you are one of 'us'?

Or do you just want to continue to think you're one of a 'cool' minority?

svartling · Post by **svartling** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 6:18 pm

I think ambient music is more intelligent then anything else, that's because the music makes you think and listen really hard to the feelings.
I think thats why more and more artists make ambient music.

SuitcaseOfLizards · Post by **SuitcaseOfLizards** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 6:23 pm

vurt wrote:
woolyloach wrote:
vurt wrote:do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.
Uncle Al loves you!

he did indeed,but not in the way your suggesting

Well, knowing the old bugger (pardon the expression), what else was I to think?

I'll get me coat.

So... Is ambient the new fashion or,,,