Reason 12.7: goodbye Authorizer, hello Reason Companion!

[jens]

It's a perpetual license to use the software as it is

Yes, exactly.

not a guarantee that the software will work forever. Again, no one can give you such a guarantee, thus no one can assume that the software will always work no matter what.

Now that's a sad goal-post move and a half! I already said "same OS, same machine" - the problem is - as you know well at this point and (for some weird reason) seem to avoid/argue around at all costs (which frankly is a little sad to witness as it is really quite pathetic) is that the Props themselves decided to use a certain authorization method they arbitrarily now decided not to support anymore, which basically is - as has been pointed out before - theft. If someone decided to sue them over this, there is no way they'd ever win the case.

And, all this is not a justification to use warez, nor does it mean that you can't authorize the software at all anymore.

It absolutely is - both legally and morally. It seems you are confusing different things here (whether on purpose or due to a lack of insight I can't say).

It is absolutely illegal to distribute pirated software. And it of course also is illegal to use this pirated software if you do not own a license for the software.

it however is quite a different thing if you actually do own the license. Of course the EULAs may say otherwise, but it would be quite the challenge for a software vendor to sue a user for using a cracked copy of the software he legally bought a perpetual license for while for technical reasons no other way exists anymore to use said license.

It's immensely absurd that you try to argue things were different here - what's your agenda? It seems to me you try to be a smartass (as you do) by playing devil's advocate just for the sake of it - but seriously: that's really just sad.

[Jac459]

And, all this is not a justification to use warez, nor does it mean that you can't authorize the software at all anymore.

Don't understand. Isn't the whole discussion about rs7 not being able to be authorised anymore?

[chk071]

The way I understand it (I don't own Reason 7), you can still authorize it online.

See here: https://help.reasonstudios.com/hc/en-us ... nd-earlier

Or here: viewtopic.php?p=8684409#p8684409

[imrae]

The way I understand it (I don't own Reason 7), you can still authorize it online.

See here: https://help.reasonstudios.com/hc/en-us ... nd-earlier

In the middle of the page you linked:

Please note, though, that online authorization is still available for Reason 8 and later.

Why did you think people were focusing on Reason 7 specifically?

[chk071]

So, you can't authorize it at all anymore? Can you confirm that?

May I also ask who here uses Reason 7, and can confirm that it's not activatable anymore?

[liquidsound]

In Reason 7 and later, Reason 10 Intro and Reason Essentials 2 and later we've added a new way of authorizing the software and Rack Extensions. You can authorize your perpetual licenses (not Reason+) to a single computer, for offline use. This way you can use Reason without being connected to the Internet, or without a USB port taken up by the key.

To authorize your computer for offline use, please login to Your Account and click the Authorize button.

https://help.reasonstudios.com/hc/en-us ... eason-use-

[jens]

So, you can't authorize it at all anymore? Can you confirm that?

Duh! That's the specifc issue that video is about.

[Freaqpeak]

If I you own a license for a software that can't be activated due to the company is out of business - or they took down license servers - there are zero moral or ethical reasons not to run the software without the protection checks.

Example:
Old 32bit Cubase plugins can't run in later Cubase versions until you hexedit the dll's to remove "host checks" (as they cant be used with any bitbridge like jbridge). As long as you own a license and do not distribute it, I don't see a moral problem what so ever.
Same goes for Reason 7 I guess. Just bypass the online activation and you can still run the software...

As someone said, cracked versions of older games on Steam are even sold as official releases. It's all about owning a license. Some software that had its copy protection removed by 3rd party even runs lot faster..

Will say this again, Im grateful for all the devs that dont force ppl into stupid "DRM" that only hurt legit owners. Its fun to see illegal users struggling with timebombs while legit users have zero problems.
THAT is how good protections should work.

[Atlatnesiti]

...
https://www.lexology.com/library/detail ... 5f3ff05bcc

On 16 September 2021, The Court of Justice of the European Union (CJEU) handed down its judgment in The Software Incubator Ltd v Computer Associates (UK) Ltd (Case C-410/19) EU:C742, ruling that the supply of computer software by electronic means, together with a grant of a perpetual licence, falls within the definition of “sale of goods” for the purposes of Article 1(2) of the Commercial Agents Directive (86/653/EEC). The judgment followed a request for a preliminary ruling from the UK Supreme Court.

...

Personally I don't care what any law says, if I have bought something I own it. I own it in the same way I own a book, which I have no legal right to print copies of and sell. So with that said I will not spend any time having a discussion about it, there is no way I will ever change my position on the issue.

Interesting finding...

This means that Reason Studios are even more in the "thieves" corner...

If they ruled that under these circumstances it´s like sale of goods i.e. like a book or a car, no seller has the right to come afterwards and take it away from you or destroy the possibility of using it no matter what any fictive EULA says...

Rubbish

[Atlatnesiti]

Users Request-remove dongle authentication
Reason studios-will do
Users- wtf
Pirate Reason doesn’t work anymore

[Trancit]

Users Request-remove dongle authentication
Reason studios-will do
Users- wtf
Pirate Reason doesn’t work anymore

BS... only pirated version still works! Legit version doesn´t work anymore!

Did you understand a single word of what was written here on the last 2 pages??

[jens]

I wouldn't hold my breath on him comprehending much of anything tbh...

[WordClock]

Does anyone have a good general estimate of when Reason 13 may be released? I’m curious enough to ask because Reason is particularly my favorite DAW. Any estimate when production of Reason could stop would be interesting in the discussion also.

[Samiver]

Does anyone have a good general estimate of when Reason 13 may be released? I’m curious enough to ask because Reason is particularly my favorite DAW. Any estimate when production of Reason could stop would be interesting in the discussion also.

I don't think anyone has a clue to be honest and there is no new road map to give an idea. My personal opinion (guess) is we will not see 13 for a while as they have been fixing 12 so assume most time has been spent on that other than new devices or qol upgrades.

[D-Fusion]

Does anyone have a good general estimate of when Reason 13 may be released? I’m curious enough to ask because Reason is particularly my favorite DAW. Any estimate when production of Reason could stop would be interesting in the discussion also.

I hope that we will get more bugfixes and updates to v12 instead of a update to v13 that we have to pay for with minor changes like we saw from V10 to 11 and V11 to 12.

It seems like they have given up on Reason as a standalone Daw and are more focused on the Rack and RE-Plugins these days and soundpacks.

What is also a shame is that it looks like Rob Papen, Korg and Synapse Audio have moved away from the RE-Platform after Reason got Vst support and we will only see bug fixes instead of feature updates like Rob Papen B.I.T 1 to V2 that added more waveforms and other cool stuff.

I am not so sure of what is left to add to the Reason 12 Core program either Except for some minor things like 2 Way Communication between the Rack and the sequencer and Midi step recording from external keyboard instead of using the mouse with the repeat mode.