Live 12 or Bitwig 5.1

[pdxindy]

I don't know about the sound quality... but you can definitely reach the CPU consumption of Diva

The Voice Stacking is a powerful sound design tool. Works well for doing granular stuff in the Sampler... for layering two close but different sounds... stack of two and pan them left and right... great for 2 sequences that offset each other... etc., etc., etc.

The new capabilities in 5.1 for soloing each voice, and the tools for working with each stacked voice in the Grid are impressive.

It opens a new dimension in sound design especially if combinex with the different modulators there.

The only two things (or synths) that I miss now are NI Razor and a good physical modal synth like Objekt. That's why I sometimes use Windows or Mac. It's because of that.

Anyway, I still can use only Bitwig, but I must design my own sounds because what's there aren't that good enough for me, which is a great practice to use as much as I can of Bitwig's abilities in sound design

The new Bite Osc in the Grid/Polymer is lovely sounding and can be pleasingly characterful. It also goes well with the new filters. For example, Bite -> Vowel Filter is a good combination.

I appreciate that every time they add a new Oscillator or Filter or Env type, Polymer is like a new synth. Add in the Voice Stacking and there's nothing like it in other DAW's or even in 3rd Party Plugin synths.

[syntonica]

5 underrated DAWs that aren't Logic, Ableton or Pro Tools, and why you should consider switching

...Bitwig is no longer the beginner DAW it once was, but a supercharged creative monster. Some concepts might take a mind shift but are worth exploring for going on tangents you will not have considered...

https://www.musicradar.com/news/5-under ... -switching

Bitwig in the same league as Korg Gadge

And Reaper is underrated.

[liquidsound]

5 underrated DAWs that aren't Logic, Ableton or Pro Tools, and why you should consider switching

...Bitwig is no longer the beginner DAW it once was, but a supercharged creative monster. Some concepts might take a mind shift but are worth exploring for going on tangents you will not have considered...

https://www.musicradar.com/news/5-under ... -switching

Bitwig in the same league as Korg Gadge

And Reaper is underrated.

And Musicradar is overrated

[EnGee]

I don't know about the sound quality... but you can definitely reach the CPU consumption of Diva

The Voice Stacking is a powerful sound design tool. Works well for doing granular stuff in the Sampler... for layering two close but different sounds... stack of two and pan them left and right... great for 2 sequences that offset each other... etc., etc., etc.

The new capabilities in 5.1 for soloing each voice, and the tools for working with each stacked voice in the Grid are impressive.

It opens a new dimension in sound design especially if combinex with the different modulators there.

The only two things (or synths) that I miss now are NI Razor and a good physical modal synth like Objekt. That's why I sometimes use Windows or Mac. It's because of that.

Anyway, I still can use only Bitwig, but I must design my own sounds because what's there aren't that good enough for me, which is a great practice to use as much as I can of Bitwig's abilities in sound design

The new Bite Osc in the Grid/Polymer is lovely sounding and can be pleasingly characterful. It also goes well with the new filters. For example, Bite -> Vowel Filter is a good combination.

I appreciate that every time they add a new Oscillator or Filter or Env type, Polymer is like a new synth. Add in the Voice Stacking and there's nothing like it in other DAW's or even in 3rd Party Plugin synths.

Thanks for the inspiring ideas. I like Polymer a lot. It's my favourite among Bitwig synths and I always start with it. I begin to construct my own synths in the Grid as well. Simple ones for now, but still sounds great.
I hope they add a 'Sine bank' like in Reaktor or a separate additive synth like Razor. That would be a great addition

[xbitz]

I hereby announce the winner of the non-sponsored HATEFISh Rhygenerator (word)Cup: Bitwig. The Rhygenerator works with full chords in every line, not voices, so it needs to be sorted out and then assembled voice by voice. And it didn't even require Note Grid, that's as far as Ableton Live got : https://maxforlive.com/library/device/8 ... rbuddy-mk2 , comment " so the chords don't work. Is this a limitation that cannot be solved?"



After all, it's useless if m4l recognizes MIDI channels but the host doesn't, right?

"...RhyGenerator the euclidean step sequencer..." https://www.kvraudio.com/news/hornet-up ... -2-3-58982 yepp, its individual parameters can be modulated, which is a particular goodness

[a9k1tp]

This drive me NUTTTS in Bitwig. Why? can't you invert the zoom motion??? It would literally be 2mins programming, it's just a switch. I absolutely can't stand it that it is the complete opposite to every other DAW. Another one: Why... oh why... the smart tool works the compete opposite to all the other DAWs. Grab at the top of the clip and select at the bottom of the clip. It is massively pain in the bum when it's in your muscle memory and when using multiple DAWs. And why would they not implement a switch to make this optional? They do everything inverted just for the sake of. Anyway...

Merry Crimbo Everyone! Hope you are all enjoying your holidays with family and friends.

Ableton inverted the zoom behaviour. Bitwig's zoom behaviour is like other DAWs. Another example of Ableton teaching bad habits to its users.

[MyTunes]

I think Bitwig started from a better, more refined base. With that being said, Live 12 looks promising for sure, and with the sheer amount of things made for Ableton already (m4L, racks, etc) I'll probably be sticking with Ableton for a good while. Bitwig is intriguing though.

[stefani ss]

Live 12 +1

[xbitz]

I think Bitwig started from a better, more refined base. With that being said, Live 12 looks promising for sure, and with the sheer amount of things made for Ableton already (m4L, racks, etc) I'll probably be sticking with Ableton for a good while. Bitwig is intriguing though.

Well, I don't know, now that there's Transit and there's no need to endlessly pack devices into Bitwig, + every single knob of it can be modulated (and it has its own big knob too), Bitwig has become quite entertaining even without M4L, and for racks, there's Reason... Rack



It's a complete fun factory alone, I just always forget what I've connected to what so far.

[machinesworking]

I just always forget what I've connected to what so far.

That part, I always have wished Bitwig had an even list for current modulations.
Maybe it does and I didn't find it, but man that would be smart if they did.

[EnGee]

I don't know really how they make music these days! What I'm hearing in movies and games and some songs, nothing has changed that much or nothing revolutionary in music making! It is still a melody, harmony and some effects! So, for me, the modulators in Bitwig are more than enough for such effects. I'm mostly concentrating on melody and harmony with timing plays an important role.

Anyway, because mainly I'm using Linux for music making these days, I have only native Linux VSTs and CLAP plugins. After adding Bazille, I find that, with Diva, Hive and TAL J-8 I have more than enough for synthesis. I use for effects Bitwig plugins and the only one good that I could find that runs on Linux with a very reasonable discount of 30 euro and it is Reach. I use it when I need a big Reverb with some other effects:

[xbitz]

^^^ has been demoed by Dash Glitch too

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ps. there is a Mutltiband FX-3 replacer too (with reduced phasing issue around the crossover frequencies) https://github.com/robbert-vdh/nih-plug ... /crossover I would mention that one too

[perpetual3]

Reach is a great reverb and efx box.

[EnGee]

^^^ has been demoed by Dash Glitch too

Actually I checked it out after seeing this video. When I saw it has Linux support, I bought it immediately!

Not having so many plugins for Linux is a blessing This makes me concentrate on fewer tools and spend my energy and time on music making itself.

[xbitz]

^^^ I'm looking for devices that don't put me in an endless decision-making situation like the aforementioned Transit, where the effects chain isn't endlessly customizable and has only one built-in modulation source, unlike Molekular or the Kilohearts stuff. Not to mention Reaktor or Bitwig's own system, which always take unexpected directions that I hadn't originally thought of, and are no longer very usable in the original context.

btw. Bitwig's own underrated synths work very well in a call and response systems when contrasted with the excellent-sounding Diva or Hive etc., but that's just something that crossed my mind