Need advice on studio monitor upgrade

[chk071]

OP hasn't replied to a single suggestion since the day he posted this weeks ago.

Unfortunately, not a rarity with such threads, and recently registered members.

Maybe he just needed some posts for the market place forum.

[ghettosynth]

Stick with very small nearfield monitors if you cant fix the room..

I don't really buy this. Why small speakers? Well, it's because they don't produce the low frequencies that will activate the room so yay, you don't activate the room. Also, you don't hear low frequencies. If you put speakers in the room that can activate the room then your low frequencies will not be accurate, but you will be able to hear them.

Because you don't NEED speakers that can play at high volume.

Again, I'm not buying your arguments. You're now bringing in the neighbors and whatever else you can to sell Genelecs for whatever reason. People like to turn music up because that experience is different from listening to it quietly. People listen to loud music in untreated environments all the time and they think that it sounds better turned up. From explosions on a home theatre to putting the thump in the trunk, people enjoy the ability to feel their music.

This is also true while writing/composing/jamming/whatever. This is especially true for many electronic forms of music. If your only speakers are your monitors, then they become your performance/listening speakers as well.

You cannot turn up tiny little monitors, and let's be clear here, OPs room isn't that small, and expect to hear any thump. They all sound like shit when turned up past a relatively low listening level. If the OP has been getting by with low end KRKs and IK-minis, then there are many ways to improve upon that without buying Genelecs. Moreover, all of the Genelec suggestions in this thread, with perhaps my own tounge-in-cheek choice, are not going to give you any "thump." Which the OP specifically requested.

Here, listen to the 8020s side by side with IK MTMs. I suggest fast forwarding to "Deep" at 6:44 to hear the pathetic bass response of the 8020s as compared to the source track. I can hear this on my SC203s sitting at my work desk. It's super clear on my old Alesis Monitor Ones that are on the other side of my living room. In fact, when shopping for the SC203s I completely ruled out the Genelec 8010s as an alternative.



There is not a good Genelec choice for the OPs stated budget and requirements. There are much better suggestions in this thread.

[ghettosynth]

OP hasn't replied to a single suggestion since the day he posted this weeks ago.

That happens all the time. I think sometimes they are looking for material for their "blogs." "Best monitors for a small space in 2023." All you have to do is choose the models that you have an affiliate agreement with and bam, free content.

[Freaqpeak]

Stick with very small nearfield monitors if you cant fix the room..

I don't really buy this. Why small speakers? Well, it's because they don't produce the low frequencies that will activate the room so yay, you don't activate the room. Also, you don't hear low frequencies. If you put speakers in the room that can activate the room then your low frequencies will not be accurate, but you will be able to hear them.

Because you don't NEED speakers that can play at high volume.

Again, I'm not buying your arguments. You're now bringing in the neighbors and whatever else you can to sell Genelecs for whatever reason. People like to turn music up because that experience is different from listening to it quietly. People listen to loud music in untreated environments all the time and they think that it sounds better turned up. From explosions on a home theatre to putting the thump in the trunk, people enjoy the ability to feel their music.

This is also true while writing/composing/jamming/whatever. This is especially true for many electronic forms of music. If your only speakers are your monitors, then they become your performance/listening speakers as well.

You cannot turn up tiny little monitors, and let's be clear here, OPs room isn't that small, and expect to hear any thump. They all sound like shit when turned up past a relatively low listening level. If the OP has been getting by with low end KRKs and IK-minis, then there are many ways to improve upon that without buying Genelecs. Moreover, all of the Genelec suggestions in this thread, with perhaps my own tounge-in-cheek choice, are not going to give you any "thump." Which the OP specifically requested.

Here, listen to the 8020s side by side with IK MTMs. I suggest fast forwarding to "Deep" at 6:44 to hear the pathetic bass response of the 8020s as compared to the source track. I can hear this on my SC203s sitting at my work desk. It's super clear on my old Alesis Monitor Ones that are on the other side of my living room. In fact, when shopping for the SC203s I completely ruled out the Genelec 8010s as an alternative.



There is not a good Genelec choice for the OPs stated budget and requirements. There are much better suggestions in this thread.

You do as you want. Genelecs are used in professional studios in music studios, broadcast radio studios, tv studios, video production studios etc etc. All over the world. They are good. There are other good monitors as well, but its not a coincident that Genelecs are best practice. Havent seen/heard Ik multimedia iLoud in a pro environment, they might be good, havent heard them anywhere.
If you prefer something else, good for you.

Are you seriously linking to a youtube clip where somebody has recorded playback of sound from monitor speakers into a microphone and encoded to youtube video?
OMG.... that is totally pointless..... this is like that audiophile video were this guy said "can you hear how good it sounds" while filming on a smartphone.....I cant even.....sorry.

[ghettosynth]

You do as you want. Genelecs ... They are good.

I never said otherwise, they are also expensive and not an appropriate recommendation for the OPs use case and budget. In my opinion, they're not worth the money for most people asking for advice here.

Also, let's be clear here, pro studios are not mixing EDM on Genelec 8020s, full stop.

There are other good monitors as well

Exactly, and many are much better choices for the OP, or really, anyone mixing on a low budget.

If you prefer something else, good for you.

Many people prefer something else, but that's a non-sequitur because what I prefer is not what we're talking about. We're talking about the pathetic bass response of all Genelecs in the OPs price range.

Are you seriously linking to a youtube clip where somebody has recorded playback of sound from monitor speakers into a microphone and encoded to youtube video?

Yes, because both monitors are recorded in the same environment with the same equipment and source in the same room, it provides a basic comparison that makes it relatively easy to hear and compare certain attributes. In particular, you can clearly hear, and also see in the graph that is provided, the weak bass response of your recommended Genelecs.

OMG.... that is totally pointless.....

No, it's not totally pointless. Of course you know this, you just don't like losing. You don't want to admit that small Genelecs are not competitive in terms of bass response at their price point.

this is like that audiophile video were this guy said "can you hear how good it sounds" while filming on a smartphone.....I cant even.....sorry.

Of course it isn't because the iphone is not the same as someone setting up an appropriate recording apparatus in a reasonable space and performing a reasonable comparison. You are just reaching to dismiss any evidence that you don't like, and in it's place the only thing that you have to offer is "everyone is doing it and if you want to be a pro, you'll do it too!"

What's also pretty clear is that you aren't familiar with that channel. Frankly, for someone in the OPs situation, I would highly recommend using that channel to help create your shortlist. You really want to listen on headphones and, of course, it shouldn't be your only consideration, however, it really does give a decent side by side comparison of many different monitors. You aren't going to get a better comparison in a music store, so it's about the best that we can do today. It's certainly better than listening to KVR pundits.

As far as recommending IK monitors, I'm not on board with IK for a number of reasons, but the OP has some of their monitors and was considering the MTMs. Hence, the comparison is valid for the OP. Of course, BTW, that Genelecs are more common in pro studios than IK, IK has only been making monitors for a few years. Until recently, their target market wasn't pro studios.

[Uncle E]

Are you seriously linking to a youtube clip where somebody has recorded playback of sound from monitor speakers into a microphone and encoded to youtube video?

The frequency chart comparison at the end of the video says a lot. Obviously, one doesn't need to watch a video for that but they did the Photoshop work for us.

[ghettosynth]

Are you seriously linking to a youtube clip where somebody has recorded playback of sound from monitor speakers into a microphone and encoded to youtube video?

The frequency chart comparison at the end of the video says a lot. Obviously, one doesn't need to watch a video for that but they did the Photoshop work for us.

Indeed. If someone likes IK then the MTMs have a lot going for them. I like the MTM (generic, not necessarily IK's) design for studio monitors as you can get more woofer area in an enclosure geometry that is appropriate for most desks. I've read that it also helps to minimize interaction with surfaces owing to the dispersion pattern.

If OP, or anyone in this spot, isn't happy with the 47Hz 107dB SPL of the G2-6 speakers, then they're not going to be happy, in terms of "thump" with any Genelec 8000 series smaller than the 8030, and even the 8030 isn't quite up to scratch there at only 104dB SPL and does not go meaningfully lower in frequency. Again, I'm only talking in terms of "thump."