Airwindows Hull2: Free Mac/Windows/Linux/Pi AU/VST/Rack

[ampetrosillo]

If you want to insult CLAP to a Linux user, you’ve got to say something that would actually make them feel bad—for example,

...showing off the clunky software they are forced to use:


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To quote Candace Owens, "Life's tough, get a helmet"

I use Reaper, on Windows¹. I still use v3's skin. Even if it's a bit blurry on HiDPI screens, it still works fine.

I hate Cubase with a passion (although I readily concede that it is a good DAW). If Cubase is supposed to be a paragon of usability, then the audio world is doomed.

¹ : the fact that Reaper also runs on Linux has allowed me to repurpose an ancient laptop for live shows, with the laptop running a stripped-down version of Linux (which can still be kept up to date and secure, whenever I go online with it) and Reaper responsible for handling backing tracks, click tracks, count-in tracks, etc.

To do this with Windows, I'd be forced to run some ancient, unsupported version (XP maybe?).

[imrae]

There would be a certain irony to taking Chris's minimal-DSP plugins and bundling them into multiple layers of API wrappers... but if it only affects Cubase users this seems quite fitting

[jinxtigr]

I could use Airwindows plugins either as VST2 or AU plugins in Studio One. But I made the decision several years back to cull all plugins that aren't VST3 to ensure future-proofing. It is the absolute best yardstick for gauging developer activity and commitment to their products, along with Apple Silicon support.

I mean, I nearly doubled my multiplatform workload by actively supporting SIGNED Intel and Apple Silicon builds for both the collections and every single individual plugin, all the way back to the beginning (hence the large numbers of plugins in each collection: all the old ones get re-made in the new format without exception, as long as they made the initial VST2 cut)

That requires buying not only the Apple Developer license yearly, but keeping up on the new hardware even as it goes farther and farther from the old Snow Leopard-based retro Mac builds. I should be good for a while on my Mac Studio, and doubtless when it's necessary to move on from that to whatever newer MacOS XCode needs to do the latest code signing, I'll be prepared to do it. Again, Apple does planned obsolescence too, and I could be just as mad at them but they're not trying to prevent me from serving legacy customers.

Maybe what you really need to cull is VST3, and just only go with people who are prepared to release everything on Apple Silicon as code-signed software, as I have

[masterhiggins]

Another idea: Compare CLAP users to Apple users, who clearly suffer from Stockholm syndrome and love the parasite as it sucks their bank account dry.

There’s lots of ways to insult a Linux user, but comparing something to Linux just isn’t the way to go about it. CLAP is awesome!

That’s like some guy living in a shack making fun of a homeowner for having all of these unnecessary financial obligations like 7% mortgages, gas, electricity, water/sewer, trash, etc. Evidently they see it as a worthwhile price to pay for amenities like public access to power, building codes, roads, easy access to electricians, plumbers, etc. that are able to take care of the more challenging technical tasks they don’t want to mess around with. Maybe they just want to live in a house without having to be a carpenter to fix a structure, or an electrician to fix their wiring, or a plumber to fix their shitter. I’m somewhere in-between. I can do a lot of that myself, but if I were loaded I could see the temptation to just have someone else do it so I can spend more time with my family. Yes, you can take your Linux box to a repair place, but it’s nowhere as seamless and streamlined as applecare. Nor are you overwhelmed by options when building a system. A lot of people don’t want to f**k with that and just want to use Logic or Final Cut and Excel, so they choose apple. I don’t begrudge anyone who wants to humblebrag about their custom boxes that they hand-picked component by component, but if you want to insult people for having other priorities, I cordially invite you to shut the hell up. No one is impressed.

[ampetrosillo]

Another idea: Compare CLAP users to Apple users, who clearly suffer from Stockholm syndrome and love the parasite as it sucks their bank account dry.

There’s lots of ways to insult a Linux user, but comparing something to Linux just isn’t the way to go about it. CLAP is awesome!

That’s like some guy living in a shack making fun of a homeowner for having all of these unnecessary financial obligations like 7% mortgages, gas, electricity, water/sewer, trash, etc. Evidently they see it as a worthwhile price to pay for amenities like public access to power, building codes, roads, easy access to electricians, plumbers, etc. that are able to take care of the more challenging technical tasks they don’t want to mess around with. Maybe they just want to live in a house without having to be a carpenter to fix a structure, or an electrician to fix their wiring, or a plumber to fix their shitter. I’m somewhere in-between. I can do a lot of that myself, but if I were loaded I could see the temptation to just have someone else do it so I can spend more time with my family. Yes, you can take your Linux box to a repair place, but it’s nowhere as seamless and streamlined as applecare. Nor are you overwhelmed by options when building a system. A lot of people don’t want to f**k with that and just want to use Logic or Final Cut and Excel, so they choose apple. I don’t begrudge anyone who wants to humblebrag about their custom boxes that they hand-picked component by component, but if you want to insult people for having other priorities, I cordially invite you to shut the hell up. No one is impressed.

The fallacy is that Linux is a shack, or that you have to take care of countless things yourself. The truth is that Linux just works for the vast majority of users. Creative people may have to struggle a bit but honestly that's not really the case a lot of the time, not any more (especially for video production, 3D modelling and audio mixing). I chose a non-mainstream Linux distro for my old laptop but I could have just chosen a lightweight Ubuntu flavour (by just asking *one* question on the Ubuntu forum).

Yes, you may have to interact with people online on specific websites (but really, Reddit is fine too, if you don't mind the fact that Reddit is a pile of shit) instead of going to, is it still called the Genius Bar? (cringe), so I suppose is not as convenient, but since you are here on KVR, I suppose it wouldn't be a big deal for you to log on the Ubuntu forums either. And there are a lot of very good VSTs (and quite a few CLAP plugins) available on Linux without having to use Wine.

You don't get any from Waves, UAD, Arturia, etc. but there are many independent developers offering comparable (sometimes better) plugins anyway. That's like complaining about life in a non-Western country because you don't have a lot of the brands you can find in Western shops.

I do use Windows on my main audio machine because of course it makes *more* sense but if I had to adapt to using Linux full-time it wouldn't be a big deal really.

[Agreed]

To be fair, jamcat fired shots against Linux users first Any time people's egos get caught up in what OS they're using we end up in this kind of situation, pointlessly ruffled feathers. Anyway if you're mixing on digital processors and not a complex system of inputs and outputs mediated by punch cards and involving at least one abacus, lmao what a newb

[audiojunkie]

Another idea: Compare CLAP users to Apple users, who clearly suffer from Stockholm syndrome and love the parasite as it sucks their bank account dry.

There’s lots of ways to insult a Linux user, but comparing something to Linux just isn’t the way to go about it. CLAP is awesome!

That’s like some guy living in a shack making fun of a homeowner for having all of these unnecessary financial obligations like 7% mortgages, gas, electricity, water/sewer, trash, etc. Evidently they see it as a worthwhile price to pay for amenities like public access to power, building codes, roads, easy access to electricians, plumbers, etc. that are able to take care of the more challenging technical tasks they don’t want to mess around with. Maybe they just want to live in a house without having to be a carpenter to fix a structure, or an electrician to fix their wiring, or a plumber to fix their shitter. I’m somewhere in-between. I can do a lot of that myself, but if I were loaded I could see the temptation to just have someone else do it so I can spend more time with my family. Yes, you can take your Linux box to a repair place, but it’s nowhere as seamless and streamlined as applecare. Nor are you overwhelmed by options when building a system. A lot of people don’t want to f**k with that and just want to use Logic or Final Cut and Excel, so they choose apple. I don’t begrudge anyone who wants to humblebrag about their custom boxes that they hand-picked component by component, but if you want to insult people for having other priorities, I cordially invite you to shut the hell up. No one is impressed.

Ooooh! Touched a nerve!

Well, don't get your panties in a twist. The only reason I bagged on Apple is because Jamcat uses one and he tried to make an insult using Linux. I really don't give a crap what anyone uses. My response was directly to Jamcat, if you'll notice, and it wasn't serious anyway. It was simply a response to his reponse, in good fun. You, on the other hand, are more like someone who eavesdrops on someone else's conversation in a public place, and then gets butthurt by what he hears. I cordially urge you to go see your doctor about starting a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor of some type, and maybe spending some time away from the internet. No one is impressed.

[lotus2035]

If Steinberg are willing to toss out an earlier version of their very own popular standard I can't see them adopting a 3rd party one.

[gaggle of hermits]

well, if they start losing sales to other DAWs because of it, that makes for a stronger incentive (though I can't see a realistic scenario right now where CLAP forces that).

[mothra]

If Steinberg are willing to toss out an earlier version of their very own popular standard I can't see them adopting a 3rd party one.

Is Microsoft still supporting DOS too? Are they still doing enterprise installations with NT4??

They didn't toss anything, they moved on to a new version just like everyone else does from operating systems to compliers to applications, etc...

[masterhiggins]

Nvrmnd

[ampetrosillo]

If Steinberg are willing to toss out an earlier version of their very own popular standard I can't see them adopting a 3rd party one.

Is Microsoft still supporting DOS too? Are they still doing enterprise installations with NT4??

They didn't toss anything, they moved on to a new version just like everyone else does from operating systems to compliers to applications, etc...

...yes? Sort of? Microsoft is *big* on backwards compatibility. You can expect software made for Windows 95 to more or less work under Windows 11, with maybe a couple of things you have to do first (essentially tick a few boxes in the application's properties dialog). That's one major reason enterprise and enterprise developers love Windows so much. On the other hand, Apple essentially forces both users and developers to adapt to their whims. Linux is also very backwards compatible, with the caveat that you don't have a guarantee that a specific distro actually is with regards to certain things.

Anyway, if you want to run a Visual Basic app coded in 1996, you can reasonably expect it to work fine, provided you install the necessary libraries (if they aren't bundled with the app) and that you don't incur what used to be called DLL hell... (which is less of an issue these days).

Steinberg had *no* technical or even practical reason not to support VST2 in new versions of Cubase, it was a political choice. At least Apple purportedly behaves the way it does to force developers to update their software to the latest and greatest (for UX reasons). VST3 offers very little, if anything, over VST2.

[kidslow]

Yesterday happy clouds and today we have pissing on linux circle jerks. How the conversation has devolved.

But we did just pull a record for greatest number of responses in a KVR thread on a single airwindows plugin ... eclipsing Console5 & Console8 today.

Anyone want to talk about Hull2? Watching the video now. Will use in replacement of Baxandall2 and hear how it goes. Thanks Chris.

[jinxtigr]

Hey, if I didn't think the kinds of things KVR talks about are worth talking about, I wouldn't post here.

But if everyone on KVR _agreed_, it would be a very different forum.

Hull2 is a very 'airwindowsy' EQ without being too wild. Nothing like interleaving in there, just combinations of relatively ordinary filter techniques used in a relatively unusual way to make a lot happen with very light processing, in a topology where 'flat' gets to be very, very flat indeed. Similar to what's in ConsoleLA but far more transparent (I'm pretty sure that ConsoleLA very poorly suits a lot of KVR-ers: voiced far too retro)

[bk]

I could use Airwindows plugins either as VST2 or AU plugins in Studio One. But I made the decision several years back to cull all plugins that aren't VST3 to ensure future-proofing. It is the absolute best yardstick for gauging developer activity and commitment to their products, along with Apple Silicon support.

So move along. These obviously aren't for you.
You've made a decision.
Chris has made a decision.
Neither of you are wrong, but I am concerned about your need to insult the developer of many many free and open source plugins just because they don't tick all of your boxes. Not cool.