Korg Electric-R presets all modified (+700) from binary to complex grooves
- KVRAF
- 6504 posts since 25 May, 2002 from Bobo-dioulasso\BF__Geneva/CH
With the attached file below, you’ll get a folder that includes the entire sets of presets of Electribe-R (more than 700 patches)
... all modified from binary to complex grooves
apart from the patterns grids and a few parameters here and there from this peculiar menu...
(no swing for instance, that are somehow irrelevant applied to complex groove)
...all the panel of percussion's parameters from the original presets are preserved,
Just the word "Complex" being added to all the original title so it's easy to find and compare it to the original preset
I manage to create all these complex grooves for creative purpose
you might agree that the domination of binary grooves, coming from western world modern music production is likely relevant from a business point of view in music industry,
...but somehow terribly reducing and finally highly conter-productive from the point of view of musical creativity, especially considering the huge potential of modern electronic devices (both instruments and effects especially)
I apologize perhaps of the lack of humility of this enterprise , but insiders might tell you how western ears, even from many skilled musicians, aren't sensitive to these types of grooves when played by traditional African music (for instance)
this including mine, though after 20 years of frequentation of musicians in Burkina Faso, and some countries of the area (Ivory Coast and Guinea Conakry)
So consider this as an early tribute to these musics
feedbacks are more than welcome !
I suggest you to deposit this folder the ELECTRIBE-R preset...this in a Mac, I assume it shouldn't be much different in a PC
... all modified from binary to complex grooves
apart from the patterns grids and a few parameters here and there from this peculiar menu...
(no swing for instance, that are somehow irrelevant applied to complex groove)
...all the panel of percussion's parameters from the original presets are preserved,
Just the word "Complex" being added to all the original title so it's easy to find and compare it to the original preset
I manage to create all these complex grooves for creative purpose
you might agree that the domination of binary grooves, coming from western world modern music production is likely relevant from a business point of view in music industry,
...but somehow terribly reducing and finally highly conter-productive from the point of view of musical creativity, especially considering the huge potential of modern electronic devices (both instruments and effects especially)
I apologize perhaps of the lack of humility of this enterprise , but insiders might tell you how western ears, even from many skilled musicians, aren't sensitive to these types of grooves when played by traditional African music (for instance)
this including mine, though after 20 years of frequentation of musicians in Burkina Faso, and some countries of the area (Ivory Coast and Guinea Conakry)
So consider this as an early tribute to these musics
feedbacks are more than welcome !
I suggest you to deposit this folder the ELECTRIBE-R preset...this in a Mac, I assume it shouldn't be much different in a PC
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 6504 posts since 25 May, 2002 from Bobo-dioulasso\BF__Geneva/CH
BTW, I do the same for other drum machines factory presets, Ultabeat, Nepheton 2 and Drumazon 2...and likely other ones like Microtonic and (perhaps) Breaktweaker
for creative purpose , there's absolutely no reason that binary beats monopolise everywhere all the panels of drum machines factory presets
I'm even persuaded that at least, it can even be counterproductive for commercial reasons...
bear in mind that for instance in traditional African music (and even modernized African beats like manding productions) complex grooves are the most used
to give you examples, here a compilation of modern Manding musics from Western Africa , even if production aren't all of top quality (producers lacking money and technical "savoir faire")
I suggest you to listen carefully to these grooves and the way they are arranged...
...in this 1st song, notice the peculiar interpretation of sung phrases in where they tend to binary beats...but staying based on the grounding complex groove of the overall production
this in the opposite of "swing" or "shuffle" variation that are conceived as phrases tending to complex grooves but basically based on binary beats
this is western mind for most people and even producers in western countries, unfortunately...
for creative purpose , there's absolutely no reason that binary beats monopolise everywhere all the panels of drum machines factory presets
I'm even persuaded that at least, it can even be counterproductive for commercial reasons...
bear in mind that for instance in traditional African music (and even modernized African beats like manding productions) complex grooves are the most used
to give you examples, here a compilation of modern Manding musics from Western Africa , even if production aren't all of top quality (producers lacking money and technical "savoir faire")
I suggest you to listen carefully to these grooves and the way they are arranged...
...in this 1st song, notice the peculiar interpretation of sung phrases in where they tend to binary beats...but staying based on the grounding complex groove of the overall production
this in the opposite of "swing" or "shuffle" variation that are conceived as phrases tending to complex grooves but basically based on binary beats
this is western mind for most people and even producers in western countries, unfortunately...
- KVRAF
- 20822 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California
I used to perform with a guy who had traveled across Africa, learning the rhythms of different tribes. Absolutely amazing stuff. Plus, the drummer of the group was Greek and played like an octopus.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 6504 posts since 25 May, 2002 from Bobo-dioulasso\BF__Geneva/CH
I strongly agree about the amazingness of these rhythmsUncle E wrote: Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:19 am I used to perform with a guy who had traveled across Africa, learning the rhythms of different tribes. Absolutely amazing stuff. Plus, the drummer of the group was Greek and played like an octopus.
The question is : how much current drum machines might leave us the possibility to reproduce them
my 1st impression is that we need grids and peculiar parameters dedicated to complex grooves in a drum synth...if not a dedicated drum synth,... what would you think folks ?, ...devs ?
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 6504 posts since 25 May, 2002 from Bobo-dioulasso\BF__Geneva/CH
by comparison, move the tempo (inner or by the host) to139 bpm or around and compare (almost) any of the complex grooves at that peculiar tempo to the background music of the following footage, a danse that come from the Akan tribal group of Ivory Coast :
- KVRAF
- 37444 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 6504 posts since 25 May, 2002 from Bobo-dioulasso\BF__Geneva/CH
this last is a diola traditional music and dance, here an exemplar of modernized arrangement from an artist called "Sister Erindiang" based on the same groove :
listen to any of these complex patterns around 135 and 155 bpm,... their accuracy will appear !!!
a last example of (slightly) modernized grooves :
1st footage from Guinea
2nd and 3rd from Casamance/Senegal
last one from Ivory Coast