SWAY - a synth modeled after the Yamaha SY77

[carrieres]

Thanks guys

[osiris]

Why is it illegal to sample the ROM when UVI has sampled all these digital romplers, including the SY77, for their Digital Synsations as well? If they said it’s derivative because they were sampling presets, can’t we also say we’re sampling presets with filter fully up, no fx, no mods?

Because they didnt use the ROMs, they sample held notes

There you go. Now I know how Best Service did all those sample CDs twenty years ago. If I remember correctly the Access Virus A also had oscillator waves on it. But I guess you can sample those also.

[maanga]

Just curious. How Gospel musicians can sell a similar product while you can't?

[EvilDragon]

They also sampled the output of the thing, rather than using the ROM samples outright. Same thing UVI did.

[sheaf]

They did include dry recordings of all AWM waveforms in their SY99 library though, so I'm guessing that's a bit of a grey area too.

[OrionAlpha101]

Yamaha didn't mind.

[audiojunkie]

They also sampled the output of the thing, rather than using the ROM samples outright. Same thing UVI did.

I think sampling the output still applies to the copyright--like all of those Youtube channels that get shut down because they have copyrighted music playing in the background.

[EvilDragon]

Well then, how would anyone write any music if they cannot record the output of the device

Copyright is held on the contents of the ROM, not the output of the device.

[audiojunkie]

Well then, how would anyone write any music if they cannot record the output of the device

Copyright is held on the contents of the ROM, not the output of the device.

Obviously, the person recording the music would be the owner of the music or given permission to record it.

So you're telling me that if I were to recreate Native Instruments libraries by sampling the output through very good equipment I could legally resell them?

https://audiosex.pro/threads/would-it-b ... own.70278/

"If the synth has PCM samples (= audio recordings, which are protected under copyright), then you don't own the recording copyright, and you can't create a derivative work (sample library) and sell it, and can be sued if you do. Basically, you are selling audio recordings you don't own. Some companies are quite litigious in this regard."

It doesn't matter if you rip the samples from the chip or if you record the samples from the output. The sound is still a derivative work and illegal to sample and resell.

Here's another opinion from our very own LearJeff:

https://freesound.org/forum/legal-help- ... 1#post3914

"Actually, it's kinda complicated and kinda funny in a not so funny way.

Literally, according to DCMA (digital millenium copyright act), it's illegal to play a PCM-based synth and use it to record any music. (That's the "funny in not so funny way" part.) Practically speaking, though, you won't get arrested for this, and the keyboard manufacturers won't go after you for it either. So you're safe.

The reason it's illegal is that each of the samples is implicitly copyrighted. Unless there's text in your keyboard manual releasing the samples for your use (which I've never seen!), the samples are the manuf's property and you can't record them (even after modification) without their permission. Stupid but true, as far as I'm aware.

Of course, any keyboard manufacturer that sued folks for recording music using their keyboards would be committing suicide. And if it did come to court, the defendant would be able to claim that they were using the product as implicitly intended, and would have a leg to stand on.

Sampling a PCM-based keyboard to make a soundfont is another matter entirely. They could go after you if they wanted. You would have no protection. If you want to stay 100% legit, don't do it. If you want to do it anyway, just be sure to fly under the radar. (Hosting sites probably need to take more precautions.) The good news is that this isn't a multi-billion dollar industry losing (or thinking they're losing) billions from file sharing; it's a fringe area. So it's probably not in a manufacturer's best interests to go after anyone unless there's a very popular clone for a very popular keyboard.

Sampling a drum unit or keyboard to create a "loop sample" falls somewhere between these two. I suspect it's more like making music than replacing the instrument. The fancier the loop (and patch programming) the less it's a replacement for the instrument. The more generic the loop, the more it is a replacement for the instrument, but still not nearly as much as a soundfont. This is definitely a gray area.

Strangely, you can record a real piano or an analog device, because there's no recording being used to create the sound. The extra protection that PCM-based keyboard manufacturers get wasn't intended by the legislation, it just came out in the wash of trying to protect recordings in general.

PS: I'm not a lawyer, but my father is an intellectual properties lawyer and I've discussed the issues with him, and I've studied a lot of material on the US government website (www.copyright.gov). So, consider this an informed but inexpert opinion. If there were recent precedents in the matter, I wouldn't know."

[Strutters]

Yamaha didn't mind.

This.

Point is Yamaha don't give no rat's patootie about what you do with their samples, patches, etc. They keep it cool.

UVI did it, sneaky priest Jamal did it, he hustled those ROMs, hell, even my grandma sampled a couple of their boards for her pleasure. No big whoop whatsoever.

Now if this was Roland, on the other hand, and a certain individual Eric P., shit of enormous proportions would have instantly hit the fan and the fan would start to spin at unprecedented speeds. Granted. Old boy Eric would probably have a cardiac arrest too.

[gentleclockdivider]

It just dawned on me that ‘sway’ is more or less phonetic for ‘S-Y’
Why not go for: ‘Ass-why ? ‘ ?

[seangm]

del

[TS-12]

Wow that's one of my favorite synths.

So is the VST3 Mac version being worked on or is there already VST3 Mac version ?

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[EvilDragon]

Oh, definitely, being able to see all envs at once is a huge help.