Live 12 or Bitwig 5.1

[pdxindy]

Well, being in a tower in the centre of Singapore, it is quite calm right now... But it is 4 am lol .

I assume you also don't have to drive 40 minutes to buy food

[Jac459]

Well, being in a tower in the centre of Singapore, it is quite calm right now... But it is 4 am lol .

I assume you also don't have to drive 40 minutes to buy food

I have about 160 food delivery options haha. About 20 are less than 500 meters away.
And I have also birds ha ha... In Singapore I even saw already Toucans... It is rare though.

But no dwell.... And water is imported from Malaysia....

Sorry, let's go back in topic

[xbitz]

so... With Bitwig, you find collaborators, with Ableton Live, rivals nice

[liquidsound]

Ableton has no Rivals!!!

[xbitz]

ontopic, have you ever had so much coffee that you started asking yourself ridiculous questions? Like, 'Can I write a processor in Bitwig NoteGrid that works on X-note groups and can assign different MIDI channels to selected notes within the group?' And then you spent 1.5 hours trying to figure it out, even though you'll probably never use it?



I'll share it anyway, because poly processing is a beautiful thing

[liquidsound]

^^^Are you are having Intravenous coffee?

[Jac459]

ontopic, have you ever had so much coffee that you started asking yourself ridiculous questions? Like, 'Can I write a processor in Bitwig NoteGrid that works on X-note groups and can assign different MIDI channels to selected notes within the group?' And then you spent 1.5 hours trying to figure it out, even though you'll probably never use it?



I'll share it anyway, because poly processing is a beautiful thing

I woke up this morning thinking I need that.
You made it
Thanks.

[xbitz]

^^^Are you are having Intravenous coffee?

In Logic, the MIDI note transform is too good. It can group MIDI notes together based on their position, and then apply different operations to those groups. Don't cheat me here!



Let's not even talk about the piano roll transforms in AL12, right?

[liquidsound]

Let's not even talk about the piano roll transforms in AL12, right?

AL12? No... v12 is literally nothing compare to the v13

[xbitz]

So are you using push 3 standalone? I think push 3 standalone is the most desirable toy of 2023. But I wouldn't have any use to it unfortunately...

No, and I wouldn't find standalone very useful for live performances because it can't load VSTs. I am interested in getting non-standalone Push 3, particularly if it's good for finger drumming and it has good MPE expressivity, but it's not a priority.

Yeah, makes sense. I think push 3 is the incarnation of my kid's dream of what would be the perfect instrument and the adult me would like to buy it essentially for nostalgia reason. One closed box and a world of possibilities is damn sexy...

But nowadays this closed box has the boring shape of a laptop with a DAW and 400 GB of plugins.... Time changes....

even very serious adults can still be silly and have fun

the orig Kaoss Pad as plugin is also included in the KORG Collection 4, so you can give it a try ( https://splice.com/plugins/39127397-kor ... au-by-korg ) It has the same routing matrix as Reaper's... so allows to control all the inputs and outputs of the effects including feedback loops ... wait... can find it on page 82 of the documentation: https://www.korguser.net/collection/man ... _OM_E1.pdf

[xbitz]

the basic default/by night combination of AL is actually quite pleasing, but I find the black-orange combination somehow familiar. I assume it's a tribute/homage

[machinesworking]

^^^Are you are having Intravenous coffee?

In Logic, the MIDI note transform is too good. It can group MIDI notes together based on their position, and then apply different operations to those groups. Don't cheat me here!



Let's not even talk about the piano roll transforms in AL12, right?

If you want to go there with Logic, then I would add that DP11 has even more insane selections. You can go in and select the fourth beat in every other measure to alter, there's a MIDI 'compression' tool etc.

When we're talking about the older do everything DAWs like DP, Logic, Cubase and Sonar, you're just never going to IMO see that level of functionality streamlined in Bitwig or Live, they have the Grid/Max and you're going to be building it yourself. It's my one big complaint, far better automation control surface functions in terms of Remote Controls etc. but the older do everything DAWs definitely make fine tuning MIDI easier.

[xbitz]

It's clear even on the early devices that an array of note blocks(arrays) can be handled, so it is likely or hopefully there will be some kind of Swiss Army knife generator-transformer hybrid device that can perform all operations without having to switch between transformation tools (when the connection between the transformation tool and the piano roll is broken) and hopefully it will also have some kind of selection generator too.


As seen in the image, only one of the active blocks that are currently being edited can be active. The lack of MIDI channel handling is also felt here.

https://mgfaudio.gumroad.com/l/duplicator

octave wrapper, compressor already exist https://maxforlive.com/library/device/9746/chord-fold

[SLiC]

Integrating MAX into the piano roll (together with the new max tools for manipulating midi) was a clever move, there will be a flood of small, fast but very useful midi manipulation tools like this, from the practical to the creative...this feels truly 'integrated' in to the DAW and the editing workflow, it really is a game changer and may make Live one of the best midi editors.

[pdxindy]

If you want to go there with Logic, then I would add that DP11 has even more insane selections. You can go in and select the fourth beat in every other measure to alter, there's a MIDI 'compression' tool etc.

Yeah, Logic and DP have some impressive midi editing tools. At least in Logic though, they are old school and not accessible and fast in the way users expect today.