So... Is ambient the new fashion or,,,

[Shane Sanders]

xoxos, you've hit a gold mine, dude! This could be your next project: an ambient posting machine. We could all get on with our lives while the bot fills our shoes at KVR.

[Sicklecell666]

Well Sickle. I'm sorry if I offened you, and hope you don't stop creating. but... I haven't even heard your stuff... and wasn't even referring to you. So, I don't know why I'm apologizing at all.

Then maybe you should consider the people that lie dirctly beneath sweeping generalized statements & accusations like the ones you have made in this thread.

This is a bit rich, isn't it?

That's a cheap shot, Shane

Wasn't meant to be cheap at all. I just found it hypocritical that you'd scold someone else for something you go out of your way to do nearly every day on this forum. Am I wrong?

This is a bit rich, isn't it?

[ahja]

Yeh, I gotta solid eight hours.

[Amberience]

I haven't slept since ahja posted this. Traumatized!!

[opiadream]

Honestly, not really... I was hoping for a wholesome conversation about recent "ambient" activity, but I suppose I should know better for the future. I only wish that the people who kept PMing me giving me moral support would have spoken up...

ok then
I'm one of the people that PM'd ahja with a bit of moral support

I wasn't much into hurting feelings
or having the wrong people think my views are aimed at them
but he's right
I should speak out in the open
and if you don't like it,or wish to take it personally...oh well.

his opinion is one opinion and he has a right to have it
I think the people who started out-right verbally attacking him are acting like children

are his opinions suddenly going to change the minds of people who like your 'ambient' music?
I think not
I agree that it has become a trend
and there are some,and probably will be more people who have all the latest music software
but not the discipline to write or play a proper song
who will be offering some random knob twiddling and calling it some form of ambient

pidgeon-holing yourslef into only liking 'ambient'
is no better than only liking trance,rock,etc etc

implying that ambient is only for more intelligent people who are somehow 'trained' to appreciate it is elitist crap at best

if you like what you do and there are other people who like what you do
consider your self lucky
and

kwitherbitchin

[Sicklecell666]

opia, you never send me any PM's..

[vurt]

if you like what you do and there are other people who like what you do
consider your self lucky
and

kwitherbitchin

here here.i even wrote him a drone in support,or rather to show that not all drones are totally uninteresting.because like i did say earlier there is some shit out there as in all genres,but for me this is the point i dont consider what i do as ambient in the sense i sit down and think "ooh im gonna write ambient" it just kinda happens which is why i quoted crowleys "do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law"
for me it sums up what i do and yes i enjoy the process sometimes far more than i enjoy the product.

so again can we all quit the name calling and maybe get back to a reasonable discussion about ambient music.as has already been said were not going to agree anyway so why not rather than slagging each other off for opinions try to educate each other with maybe some pieces of ambient(im using the word loosely)that we enjoy


ill start
lately ive really been enjoying shulzes "pictures" album(the track totem is a classic)
also some guitar laden stuff in the shape of
"O Si Amos A Sighire A Essere Duas Umbras?" by kawabata makoto
porcupine trees voyage 34 is another fine piece too

so come on fill me with info not bile!

[opiadream]

ill start
lately ive really been enjoying shulzes "pictures" album(the track totem is a classic)
also some guitar laden stuff in the shape of
"O Si Amos A Sighire A Essere Duas Umbras?" by kawabata makoto
porcupine trees voyage 34 is another fine piece too

so come on fill me with info not bile!

you forgot to mention maybe they should check out starsend

[vurt]

i was savin that for nearer the time,see who shares the love if ya get me
but yeah stars end,see thread in music cafe on a saturday night/sunday morn depending on location on line radio show dedicated to sounds of a less pop nature
also NTNS radio hosted by our own lovely intel(plays a lot of kvr stuff which is cool,but plays a lot of other stuff ive found to be quite appealling too)
then darrell does the bluewater drive shows too,another fine show altho to be fair ive only caught him twice

[mystahr]

uhhhhhhhhhh

Coming from a house-DJ background if you back then had said I would be making ambient music I would have laughed. But since I got my own home studio a year and a half ago my explorations into vst's and keys opened a world of sound and soundmanipulation. I personally have been greatly inspired by some of the greater ambient artists here, and listening every sunday to starsend has ignited a lot of my own compositions. I still do other styles too and I listen to everything, but it is in ambient music that I feel I can express myself. The abstract fact of it allows me to create textures and moreso trying to control these is what for me drives to create ambient.

As to the topic; more and more the plug ins we see today are capable of so much more then a year or even two years ago. Sure you can fire up a synth and just let it run, but what is the fun in that.

Come on let's face it; is it only the tools that create music?

[ahja]

Cheers opiadream, I didn't mean to pressure you into posting, you could have stayed quiet... but, I appreciate it.

[ahja]

Ah, and some great ambient based right outta Chicago. Check out www.atmoworks.com . Vir Unis and James Johnson's label.

[xoxos]

since I got my own home studio a year and a half ago my explorations into vst's and keys

!

shane - yes, i really sould get back to that important stuff i was doing where i'm not inculcating consideration amongst the media engines of the world

"ees jus a website homes, joo gachno beesnees heer"

i have it under good authority that my next employment will be found at burger king

better preserve my sainted brow for that may the lord help my hand guide those holy bovines in their efforts to leap! down the gullets of good americans with ecclasiastic rapidity or some crap

[vurt]

make sure you wash your hands between handling the peyote and the burgers

[leonard]

"composing" music is not for an "elite" now.

making "music" has never been for the elite only. For example, farm workers singing together while working and in the evening with ore or two playing a guitar or a whistle. Nowadays we work at or/with the computer, hence we make music with the computer.

Don't you get it? When they realised that the kids would rather play with their playstation then buying music they made ejay, reason and acid, so they could sell something else.

Furthermore I guess being an electronic artist 25 years ago require substancial investment of both money and time. Then, when the kid realises he can't play, he first gets discouraged, but then he thinks, hey, I'll compose an trance/ambience/whatever track! Ten minutes later, done. Wow, I'm an electronic musician!

The instant gratification thing, everybody needs dreams, fair enough, if just they didn't called themselves "musicians" or "artists".....

Of course there are talented, creative and visionary young musicians, I've met several in here, I'm just trying to understand what the hell this is all about.