Live 12 or Bitwig 5.1

[muzicxs]

Will Ableton be at NAMM this year?

[liquidsound]

via Ableton Link.

Yeah, and it doesn't work as expected. It skips the first beat

It knows who you are!

[SLiC]

Will Ableton be at NAMM this year?

I don't think so- Bitwig are sharing a booth with UHE again (when is that Bitwig 'Suite' coming with UHE rack instruments )

Bitwig at NAMM Show 2024 (January 25-28, Anaheim, California)

Come by the Bitwig booth (number 10206) in Hall C of the Anaheim Convention Center to learn about what's new with Bitwig Studio and the recent 5.1 update. We're sharing the space with our friends at u-he to present CLAP, the new plug-in standard that we developed together.

See you at NAMM!

[machinesworking]

The point is to stay current over the course of the use of a DAW, Lives initial price means nothing, and the discounts on upgrades for bitwig don’t add up to being cheaper. Live is without a doubt cheaper, there’s no way around that without compromise.

The only thing I want to highlight is that some DAWs like Cubase make upgrades considerably more expensive when you skip a few versions. With Bitwig the price remains the same. So even if you wait 5 years, you still pay the same amount. For people on a budget this is an excellent way to incidentally update without breaking the bank.

Sure, MOTU do not punish you for skipping DP upgrades, it's always $199, and I recall right Ableton bump you, but they don't double the price. Reason to upgrade from 2.5 to 11 was exactly the same price as if I had been upgrading all along. Cubase and Pro Tools are the absolute worst in terms of money grabs IMO. Bitwig are far from the worst, but IMO DP and Reason are the best. I wouldn't count nagware Reaper or hardware dongle Logic for obvious reasons.

[machinesworking]

Will Ableton be at NAMM this year?

I don't think so- Bitwig are sharing a booth with UHE again (when is that Bitwig 'Suite' coming with UHE rack instruments )

Bitwig at NAMM Show 2024 (January 25-28, Anaheim, California)

Come by the Bitwig booth (number 10206) in Hall C of the Anaheim Convention Center to learn about what's new with Bitwig Studio and the recent 5.1 update. We're sharing the space with our friends at u-he to present CLAP, the new plug-in standard that we developed together.

See you at NAMM!

That's pretty much the only reason I would want to go to Namm.

[muzicxs]

I don't think so- Bitwig are sharing a booth with UHE again (when is that Bitwig 'Suite' coming with UHE rack instruments )

Would be interesting to see what the u-he / Bitwig synergy is going to bring us. Looking forward to NAMM in general.

Are there physical modelling synths in Ableton?

[muzicxs]

Cubase and Pro Tools are the absolute worst in terms of money grabs IMO.

I agree! I don't like Steinberg's pricing, but I don't like the DAW either, so no problem there

It's good to see other DAWs also don't punish people wanting to upgrade from old versions. Studio One also has a fixed upgrade price, if I'm not mistaken.

[SLiC]

Are there physical modelling synths in Ableton?

Yup, in Suite - Electric, Collision, and Tension

[syntonica]

I just discovered there's an M4L big red button called, "Rage Quit."

Checkmate, Bitwig.

[SLiC]

Talking of MAX, 8.6 came out today, some really cool stuff for Max4Live https://cycling74.com/products/new-in-max

[Yorrrrrr]

Great stuff!

[SLiC]

Great stuff!

Yup- going to be a lot of great new stuff created with that lot, and a lot of gamepad controlled stuff https://cycling74.com/products/new-in-max/gamepad

[xbitz]

my license expired two days before the 5.1 beta cycle on October 22, 2022, but I'm still receiving updates. This is because bug fixes are included with the last licensed upgrade version. Additionally, BWS can be rented from Splice for $16 per month for 25 months this is equivalent to buying it/upgrading it during discounted periods for 2 years

btw. Cubase offers a similar rental plan for $16.99 per month for 34 months, which also includes all future updates...even better

Of course, it is possible to go and buy them for half price on the Sell & Buy, but who wants that

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Cubase, easy choice

[Trancit]

...
btw. Cubase offers a similar rental plan for $16.99 per month for 34 months, which also includes all future updates...even better
...

This isn´t true... at least it wasn´t from V12 to 13...

I had rented V12 for 1 month to check it out properly and if I now have a look into renting Cubase 13 it says this:

Cubase Splice.jpg

So means I have to pay additional 6 month x $16.99 = $101,94 for upgrading from V12 to V13...

Means if there is a paid upgrade for Cubase it´s not included in the normal RTO plan but paid seperately while for Bitwig I received all updates for free for all the time... what it actually says already on the splice Bitwig page:

Bitwig.jpg

[pdxindy]

Would be interesting to see what the u-he / Bitwig synergy is going to bring us. Looking forward to NAMM in general.

Are there physical modelling synths in Ableton?

Live Suite includes the AAS synths (Lounge Lizard, Chromaphone and String Studio). Unfortunately AAS has not evolved their DSP Algo's in 15 years. The AAS synths are still good tools, but they do not sound as natural as other recent modeling instruments. String Studio has some characteristics not in other synths.