Yeah, if Yamaha wants to be the new Behringer, they'll have to start teasing all their new gear releases at least 2 years before the unit arrives in most stores!WatchTheGuitar wrote: Tue Jan 16, 2024 4:33 pmWell they did have those little minikey Reface devices so it’s not completely out of their wheelhouse just odd how it arrived fully formed with no preamble.
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RCM is a distinctly different technique than what had been used before. It wasn't simply playing a PCM sample while an FM synth sound played simultaneously. That would just be layering or mixing of two different synth engines. They used the PCM sample to frequency modulate the FM operators. That hadn't been done before, and it was fair game to give it a unique name.ghettosynth wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2024 4:03 am AWM is just Yamaha marketing speak for sampling.
https://europe.yamaha.com/en/products/c ... index.html
They called their combination of AWM with FM and filters "real time convolution modulation, "or RCM. The 80s and 90s were all about inventing clever acronyms to a naïve digital world, LA synthesis, VAST, AWM, etc.
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That said, if you looked at the patches on a typical Yamaha SY77, TG77, or SY99, many of them did combine PCM samples and FM synthesis in a simple layered approach. The number of actual RCM patches was relatively small by comparison. I think that might have confused some folks into thinking RCM was just a simple layering of PCM samples over FM synth sounds.
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I knew a drummer who swore these were low-key invented for that purpose.vurt wrote: Tue Jan 16, 2024 9:34 pmambient wank machine maybe?Double Tap wrote: Tue Jan 16, 2024 9:33 pmThat does look kind of cool. A great thing for your mate to buy, so you can play with it then give it back.WatchTheGuitar wrote: Tue Jan 16, 2024 8:54 am So I didn’t have Yamaha releasing some kind of TE OP-Z style groovebox on my 2024 bingo card…
Pushing out a highly AWM preset-centric product now just seems a spectacularly odd move. I would love to know if they do any market research.
Not sure what you mean about AWM though.
He used to tell me about feeling a certain "temptation" every time he dried his hands with one at a local restaurant.
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Which is obvious from the diagram and the link that I provided as well as the context.McLilith wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2024 3:28 amRCM is a distinctly different technique than what had been used before. It wasn't simply playing a PCM sample while an FM synth sound played simultaneously.ghettosynth wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2024 4:03 am AWM is just Yamaha marketing speak for sampling.
https://europe.yamaha.com/en/products/c ... index.html
They called their combination of AWM with FM and filters "real time convolution modulation, "or RCM. The 80s and 90s were all about inventing clever acronyms to a naïve digital world, LA synthesis, VAST, AWM, etc.
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Ok, but when you said this:ghettosynth wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2024 5:15 amWhich is obvious from the diagram and the link that I provided as well as the context.McLilith wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2024 3:28 amRCM is a distinctly different technique than what had been used before. It wasn't simply playing a PCM sample while an FM synth sound played simultaneously.ghettosynth wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2024 4:03 am AWM is just Yamaha marketing speak for sampling.
https://europe.yamaha.com/en/products/c ... index.html
They called their combination of AWM with FM and filters "real time convolution modulation, "or RCM. The 80s and 90s were all about inventing clever acronyms to a naïve digital world, LA synthesis, VAST, AWM, etc.
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It gave me the impression you thought RCM was just some gibberish marketing acronym. I've seen lots of companies engage in that practice, but RCM never seemed to be in that category to me.The 80s and 90s were all about inventing clever acronyms to a naïve digital world, LA synthesis, VAST, AWM, etc.
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Noise Engineering just released Ataraxic Iteritas Alia, Cursus Iteritas Alia and a new one, Incus Iteritas Alia. Really I was just waiting for Cursus so this was an instant buy.
Now to actually check out the demos.
Now to actually check out the demos.
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That illustrates the difference between having all you need and having all you want.D-Fusion wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2024 12:55 pm Oh. Crap
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Seems to always be like this when it Comes to HW and there is no escape
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- 8720 posts since 24 May, 2002 from Tutukaka, New Zealand
Now that's a left-field suggestion that just might run. I've never got into sequencers much, but now I think of it - so many of the Behringers now have CV /gate ins etc that that might be a really good idea. Can't remember off the top of my head (haven't touched it in quite a while) but don't the TD3s have CV in/out as well? I could sequencerize a 303 without that fukn godawful abomination one that comes with it.ghettosynth wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2024 2:59 am This looks to be 70, but I might be wrong. Of course, not actually confirmed yet, but, this would be tits with the Cat and Wasp together.
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Only the Modded Out versions which is why I now have one of those and the original TD-3. I’ve been sequencing the MO version from Bidoo sequencer modules in VCV Rack that have slide, works great.kritikon wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2024 9:37 pm Can't remember off the top of my head (haven't touched it in quite a while) but don't the TD3s have CV in/out as well? I could sequencerize a 303 without that fukn godawful abomination one that comes with it.![]()
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- 8720 posts since 24 May, 2002 from Tutukaka, New Zealand
Oh bugger! I suppose I could get a MO, but don't think it'll be high on my list. Although...I haven't got anything proper acid yellow yet, so maybe a yellow MO (only to brighten the place up y'know). My TD3 is blue, so put that with a yellow MO and if I drink enough rum, next to each other would make a blurry green acid machine. 
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I have a yellow MO and a red OG TD-3, when I use them together it reminds me of the “Rhubarb and Custard” penny sweets I used to get from the corner shop.
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I have the boring-ass silver MO and deeply regret not getting the yellow one. 
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Acid & yellow. Has to be together.
You could put a load of the Behringer yellow smiley stickers all over your MO to make it look proper...I think I have some spare lying around and we could all club together maybe? I must admit I like the look of the black TD3s. Normally I detest anything in boring black (not that we get much of a choice usually).
You could put a load of the Behringer yellow smiley stickers all over your MO to make it look proper...I think I have some spare lying around and we could all club together maybe? I must admit I like the look of the black TD3s. Normally I detest anything in boring black (not that we get much of a choice usually).