Where is Reason 13?

[gentleclockdivider]

In my opinion Reason wipes the floor with Studio One when it comes to dealing with AUDIO, but tbh I don't see the point in discussing this with someone who considers automation, freezing, creating sends and what not "audio workflow".

Studio One is a huge pain in the arse when it comes to audio because its take-management is one sad mess, so until they fix that there's no way I'd ever recommend it for audio-recording to anyone; not even if I hated the guts of that person.

Oww really , that's why studio one is used as a viable alternative for pro -tools when it comes to audio editing.-comping etc..
Reason...not likely

[Atlatnesiti]

In my opinion Reason wipes the floor with Studio One when it comes to dealing with AUDIO, but tbh I don't see the point in discussing this with someone who considers automation, freezing, creating sends and what not "audio workflow".

Studio One is a huge pain in the arse when it comes to audio because its take-management is one sad mess, so until they fix that there's no way I'd ever recommend it for audio-recording to anyone; not even if I hated the guts of that person.

Oww really , that's why studio one is used as a viable alternative for pro -tools when it comes to audio editing.-comping etc..
Reason...not likely

Yeah, we know already how you love S1.
S1 is the best of the best of the best…
Happy now?
Moving along…
Let’s go back to the topic pls…

[LaLivre]

OK back to topic - please no further comparisons / advertisement for other DAWs like Studio One.

Any news or hints whats going on with R13?

Its so quite at Reasonstudios, the latest roadmap is over one year old!

[jjpscott01]

Massive Reason guy here. For what its worth, I prefer audio editing in Reason to other DAW's as well. That may be just because I'm very well accustomed to Reason's workflow but there just isn't anything I cant do in Reason's sequencer that I need to. I feel the built-in pitch editor, slice marker system, built in tuners, channel EQ, and timestretch algorithm are all standouts.

With that said, I'd absolutely welcome some more sequencer attention in version 13. I've always preferred Reason as a main DAW and this would ensure me that Reason Studios is still enthusiastic about developing the standalone capabilities going forward. Stability on version 12 is actually rock solid for me right now so some new sequencer updates and a couple new rack devices would get me excited for 13.

[koalaboy]

Ghost/Alias clips would be nice.
Blocks built from groups of tracks, and not just all of them (which is stuck with the same problem FLStudio has).
Midi Out on VSTs.
Customisable keyboard shortcuts (for example, I want one key to toggle between rack and sequencer, not two keys).

That would do for me, although if they could also add in better CV integration (native rack extensions) for VoltageModular/VCV rack, etc. that would be cool as well.

[enCiphered]

All I need is native MPE support for the Rack. I can't imagine how anyone could play such an expressive instrument as Objekt or Friktion without it.

[Jac459]

Well, there is now clearly 2 camps in Reason-City. The pro-DAW and the pro-RRP.
I am pro-RRP myself and was delighted to see that they now advertise RRP as the primary usage of Reason...
But I can also understand the potential frustration of long DAW users...
I have no idea on my side if they should choose RRP, DAW or both to concentrate their efforts for R13 but clearly I think it will be one of the most observed version in their history. After a successful v11, the v12 was strongly criticised (I never had problems with it) and put them in an hot seat.
Fortunately they were able to create Objekt to show the world they can still produce some of the best instruments in town but will they be able to keep the momentum ?

[jens]

What the pro RRP fraction uses to overlook is that they are missing out on basically everything that's great (&unique) about Reason - Reason as a plugin isn't much more than a semi-random collection of plugins...

[Jac459]

What the pro RRP fraction uses to overlook is that they are missing out on basically everything that's great (&unique) about Reason - Reason as a plugin isn't much more than a semi-random collection of plugins...

Well, my point wasn't really to antagonise both parties my friend.
As a user of Reason since v ..... 1 (f**k I am old), I would have noticed the strengths of this very nice DAW. But as many many others I grew frustrated by the delay of adoption of some key features and decided to go to another DAW.

Now I am on Bitwig and probably won't change ever again because it is a perfect fit for me. But I can still use Reason's RE, I can still play with the CVs, combinators, etc, thanks to the superb move of Reason Studios to create the RRP.
I missed strongly the mixer and the SSL look and feel for about... 1 week and when I discovered tools like the fabfilters suite and didn't looked back one second...
But that's me. And you are free to think differently.

My point of interest is to try to guess what will be their move for R13.
Finally the DAW upgrade that has been requested by the pro-DAW ?
Try to grow their RRP base ?
try to do both....

I also think that some features would be nice for both parties like MPE support....

[SLiC]

I think MPE is essential, especially for the rack users...they have some instruments that would be perfect for MPE.

[Psuper]

What the pro RRP fraction uses to overlook is that they are missing out on basically everything that's great (&unique) about Reason - Reason as a plugin isn't much more than a semi-random collection of plugins...

Most people who use RRP aren't missing anything at all in Reason... at least for anyone similar to myself who came from prior versions (I used Reason as my main daw for a decade) and now uses Reason as a rack within a more capable DAW.

[koalaboy]

Most people who use RRP aren't missing anything at all in Reason... at least for anyone similar to myself who came from prior versions (I used Reason as my main daw for a decade) and now uses Reason as a rack within a more capable DAW.

Reason offers pattern lanes (nothing else does), direct CV between modules (bitwig gets closest but still not the same, although the modulators offer a lot more in a different way), blocks (a different workflow, although Studio One and Cubase have similar less-capable 'sections'), all in one DAW.

For some of us, it's about looking to settle in one DAW that has the most beneficial aspects for our workflow/brain. I often switch to different DAWs for different approaches, but would love to be able to spend most of my time in one.

[jens]

But I can still use Reason's RE, I can still play with the CVs, combinators, etc, thanks to the superb move of Reason Studios to create the RRP.

But every little bit of the whole great inter-track connectivity is gone...

[jens]

Ghost/Alias clips would be nice.
Blocks built from groups of tracks, and not just all of them (which is stuck with the same problem FLStudio has).

Just to make sure:

While you can mute any clip within a Block (and arbitrarily split Blocks to create smaller sections for this) Blocks are part of a two-layer system, where the Block is the lower layer and the Song-timeline is the upper layer - and the upper layer is always prioritized. That makes Blocks a lot more powerful than seemingly similar arrangement tools of most any DAW (DP's Chunks aside).

[Jac459]

But I can still use Reason's RE, I can still play with the CVs, combinators, etc, thanks to the superb move of Reason Studios to create the RRP.

But every little bit of the whole great inter-track connectivity is gone...

Well I guess you have done your due diligence and I am glad you are happy with your choice. On my side the inter-track capacity on bitwig with modulations, by far exceed what I was capable to do with reason.

But again, I think this is off topic ... Back to R13....