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AKJ · Post by **AKJ** » Sun May 08, 2005 8:11 pm

also the free classic chorus from kjaerhus is great. actually, doing an a/b test with it and the GMO-demo I could not find much of a difference. so thank you kjaerhus audio for giving us these great free plugins!

akj

greendoor · Post by **greendoor** » Sun May 08, 2005 10:12 pm

The Kjaerhus freebies are great, but his Golden Modulator takes them to a pro level with the choices of waveform and host syncing with phase offset. Being able to finetune the delay times helps too.

AKJ · Post by **AKJ** » Sun May 08, 2005 10:54 pm

for sure it offers more options, but that's exactly what I find rather good with the classic series: easy operation and not too many parameters to tweak. If you take the chorus, the phaser and the flanger together there are plenty of options, but if you just want a good sounding chorus, you go for the chorus and have all the knobs needed for achieving the sound you want. If I want more control (phase, different waveforms) I go for my sonitus modulator or, if I really want to take it to the extreme, I pick spinaudio fx designer which is a beast for modulation of all kinds (and makes GMO look a rather simple device). but that said: gmo sounds indeed great, however, I miss nothing in the free classic suite which I exactly like for simplicity without compromise in sound.

best, akj

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Mon May 09, 2005 5:22 pm

OK, sorry I didn't see these helpful responses. Excuse me while I re-hijack this thread again:

First, I should point out my quest for a "good" chorus plug-in has been specifically to find one that sounds good on guitar. Most of the VST choruses do the trick on synths, but even then, I am very picky about choruses. I started playing in the 80's, and I got used to the Boss pedal/studio rack versions, and I've been having trouble in the last decade finding anything I like, even the chorus on my POD 2.0 sounds to me like a cheap flanger (I know they're the same thing at heart). Generally I'm looking for something that will enliven the sound, without an overbearing swirl, flanging or slapback/feedback effects.

Hey you know what? I'm going to try out some different choruses and post the results. I think I can get the plug-ins suggested here...back in a bit...

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Mon May 09, 2005 7:59 pm

OK; Time for some unscientific results with as many choruses as I could get my hands on:

A lot of these sounded way better than I remembered, some worse. See what you think sounds best. I was most impressed with BassChorus, Hexaline and Kjaerhus Classic (oddly enough, I like it better than their retail GMO!).

McLilith · Post by **McLilith** » Mon May 09, 2005 8:13 pm

Hi Bduffy,

That's quite a list you have there! I think I agree about the classic / GMO comment, judging strictly from these MP3 files. (Although, that isn't a totally reliable way to compare the products.)

Could you please tell us the chorus effects you liked least for guitar? I'm having trouble figuring out what it is about the three you mentioned, that makes them better. (The 3 are so different from each other.)

It's a shame you didn't have a Roland Dimension-D, or something like that, to make a comparison with.

take care,
McLilith

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Mon May 09, 2005 8:44 pm

McLilith wrote:Hi Bduffy,

That's quite a list you have there! I think I agree about the classic / GMO comment, judging strictly from these MP3 files. (Although, that isn't a totally reliable way to compare the products.)

Could you please tell us the chorus effects you liked least for guitar? I'm having trouble figuring out what it is about the three you mentioned, that makes them better. (The 3 are so different from each other.)

It's a shame you didn't have a Roland Dimension-D, or something like that, to make a comparison with.

take care,
McLilith

Yes, I can't state emphatically enough how subjective this is. You know I'm hearing something probably totally different than you or any listener will hear; I'm talking about very subtle differences, and it can be hard to even hear those when you A/B so many samples. I just thought I'd post them for the hell of it. I was generally going for a clean, wider sound, without muddiness and flangey swirling in the hi-end. If I had more time, I would've liked to replicate the parameters in each plug, like that guy did with the reverbs recently. More scientific.

What I liked least was:

Effectizer: (let me first say I otherwise like this plug-in) This just doesn't sound like a chorus to me. More like a phaser of flanger, and it doesn't widen the sound at all, in fact, I'd say it "shrinks" it if anything.
Sweetboy SH-1: You can practically "see" the sine-wave roaming through the wave file, warping the tuning.
NI GuitarRig: Dull, flat and uninspiring.
Monstachorus: has a weird slapback effect, as if the feedback is up too high, you can hear doubling on the attacks. Not necessarily bad, but not what I'm looking for in a chorus. I do like this chorus on synths, but seems cold and mechanical for guitars.

Yeah, the Roland UAD-1 stuff looks awesome. If anyone would like to run the dry guitar sample through any of that wicked UAD/Powercore gear, please do! I'm thinking about getting a UAD-1 or Powercore.

PS: I don't mean to be overly critical, especially of the free devs whose plug-ins I regularily use and enjoy. Just for fun, just one guy's lousy ears.

sonicsmurf · Post by **sonicsmurf** » Tue May 10, 2005 6:51 am

Interesting thread, and a similar problem here. What I did was: Deleted each and every chorus plugin I had.

They unnaturally coloured the sound, especially sampled instruments and my Ibanez semi-acoustic guitar. Even though I used to love the chorus effect on real guitar, at the moment I have *no* chorus fx in my computer (except the built-in chorus of Tracktion).
Instead I now use the "Univibe" effect (part of the free SimulAnalog Guitar Suite package) which does not use time delay but more of a phase shift. Then I add some saturation and stereo widening with the Mj Multiband Compressor - and I have an effect that I find acceptable. I doubt I will install any chorus plugin again.

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Tue May 10, 2005 5:32 pm

That's an interesting technique, I'll try it.

I can usually find something close enough, eventually. I guess I could mention that I tend to go for a Cocteau Twins-type sound on my bright guitars. It just doesn't seem to come as easily as it did in the '80s or '90's, when I was playing live or in the studio.

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Tue May 10, 2005 5:45 pm

Actually, once I apply some delay and a good reverb (ArtsAcoustic), many of these choruses are great. It also helps to narrow it down in the context of a mix too.

foosnark · Post by **foosnark** » Tue May 10, 2005 7:07 pm

I'm not a guitar guy, but I find when I want "chorus" I usually reach for mda Detune instead. It's by far my most used effect

jamcat · Post by **jamcat** » Mon Jan 22, 2024 12:18 am

Softube did the Tri-Stereo Chrorus in collaboration with Dytronics, but it is exclusively for UAD-2. So that means it would be up to Softube to port it to native VST3, which is something they haven't done so far.

AmpliTube has a licensed model of Fulltone's That '80s Rack Chorus, which is a reproduction of the original Tri-Stereo Chorus circuitry. Unfortunately they have not released it as a T-RackS model, so you can't use it outside of AmpliTube.

Then there is Eventide Tricerachorus, which is an obvious play on Tr-Stereo Chorus. But it doesn't appear to be an exact replica.

kidslow · Post by **kidslow** » Mon Jan 22, 2024 4:54 am

Jamcat, what prompted you to necro a 19-year-old thread?

I don't think any of these is an attempt to emulate the Dytronics Songbird, which seems to be what set the triple chorus standard. Airwindows has Triple Spread, but I didn't find it to my liking. D16 Godfazer has a few Triple delay line chorus effect presets. Caelum Audio's Choric Quartet will do up to 4 voices, and can be had for free with a purchase on Plugin Boutique. I have a copy via Computer Music, but yet to install. Big brother Choric appears to have been well received when released.

electro · Post by **electro** » Mon Jan 22, 2024 4:22 pm

jamcat · Post by **jamcat** » Mon Jan 22, 2024 6:59 pm

That’s the sound of 1986 right there!

kidslow, the reason I posted on a thread about Tri-Stereo Chorus emulations was to talk about Tri-Stereo Chorus emulations. I figured there had been sone progress since it was last discussed. Looks like it paid off!

Is the Overloud Tri-Chorus standalone, or just part of TH-U?