Will there be Spectrasonics Stylus RMX v2.0 ???

[Echoes in the Attic]

None of their current products are legacy. Some (rmx) are just old, but as we've seen they keep getting maintenance updates.

[beely]

None of their current products are legacy. Some (rmx) are just old, but as we've seen they keep getting maintenance updates.

RMX is now officially a legacy product (as well as being old), as can be seen by them just recently removing RMX from their main products list/menus, and putting it on their Legacy Products page:

https://www.spectrasonics.net/products/index-legacy.php

Whether this means RMX will continue to get further updates now remains to be seen, as does, whether they will be introducing a new rhythm-based product that replaces RMX.

[Echoes in the Attic]

None of their current products are legacy. Some (rmx) are just old, but as we've seen they keep getting maintenance updates.

RMX is now officially a legacy product (as well as being old), as can be seen by them just recently removing RMX from their main products list/menus, and putting it on their Legacy Products page:

https://www.spectrasonics.net/products/index-legacy.php

Whether this means RMX will continue to get further updates now remains to be seen, as does, whether they will be introducing a new rhythm-based product that replaces RMX.

Oh I didn't realize! Maybe that's a good sign for something to come?

[cryophonik]

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe I recall that Atmosphere was moved to Legacy Products a short period before Omnisphere v1 (which included the entire Atmosphere library) was released. Maybe, just maybe, that means we'll see the next generation of Stylus released soon, either as a new product, or somehow integrated into Omnisphere 2 (or 3?).

[ATS]

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe I recall that Atmosphere was moved to Legacy Products a short period before Omnisphere v1 (which included the entire Atmosphere library) was released. Maybe, just maybe, that means we'll see the next generation of Stylus released soon, either as a new product, or somehow integrated into Omnisphere 2 (or 3?).

I hope they don't charge too much for a Stylus RMX 2 because I would probably pay whatever they want for it.

[Shabdahbriah]

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe I recall that Atmosphere was moved to Legacy Products a short period before Omnisphere v1 (which included the entire Atmosphere library) was released. Maybe, just maybe, that means we'll see the next generation of Stylus released soon, either as a new product, or somehow integrated into Omnisphere 2 (or 3?).

I hope they don't charge too much for a Stylus RMX 2 because I would probably pay whatever they want for it.

Annnnd... I really hope it is backward compatible with the dozen or so expansions I have.

[noiseboyuk]

So here's the official line from Spectrasonics support:

RMX is a legacy instrument that’s fully supported and working very well. We plan to continue supporting RMX with maintenance updates to keep it running and usable for the foreseeable future.

Regarding the future...we’re always working on cool new stuff!

All feels rather rote, doesn't it? Still, maintenance updates is better than nothing I guess. Would likely include OS updates, so no need to panic.

But the bad news - the liklihood of an imminent RMX replacement has diminished.

As you were, boys and girls, as you were...

[zvenx]

Hmmm I don't' necessarily see that as diminished.. I find the timing of being just before NAMM not coincidental at all.
We shall see.
rsp

[beely]

Hmm… “we’re always working on stuff” doesn’t have the same ring as “hey we might have an announcement with the next few weeks, stay tuned!”, so if they’re replacing it with something new, it might still be some months away, but close enough that they don’t want people to buy RMX and then feel like they’ve been ripped off when the new thing comes out…

[zvenx]

Can you find or remember an instance when they have said, hey we might have an announcement within weeks? Ever?
Spectrasonics have typically been dead quiet, then one day out of the blue, Eric does a Trailer or Coming soon video.. with a date...
As a customer since 1994, that is my recollection of how they have always done it.
But indeed it may be months away and NAMM may only be an announcement. And this way there won't be a period that you get it for free if you bought it after the announcement because it is now no longer being sold.

My guess anyway.
rsp

[noiseboyuk]

Can you find or remember an instance when they have said, hey we might have an announcement within weeks? Ever?
Spectrasonics have typically been dead quiet, then one day out of the blue, Eric does a Trailer or Coming soon video.. with a date...
As a customer since 1994, that is my recollection of how they have always done it.
But indeed it may be months away and NAMM may only be an announcement. And this way there won't be a period that you get it for free if you bought it after the announcement because it is now no longer being sold.

My guess anyway.
rsp

This is all true, except I don't know what happened when Atmosphere or Trilogy were retired. Did Omni / Trilian follow after a short period of time with a similar information desert, or did they only retire when the successors appeared?

This could all be related to grace periods.

Maybe they've internally set a date for release (which could even be years away in theory) and this signifies they've formally ceased any feature development. According to their changelog, 1.10.5c added these new features on Jan 4 2024:

Adds support for VST2 to VST3 replacement
Adds new "Load Output Assignment With Part" user preference to the RMX utility menus

For comparison, the Silicon AAX compatibility in 2023 is listed as:

Updates AAX plugin for native Apple Silicon compatibility.

... but main VST3 and Silicon support in 2021 was:

Adds native support for Apple Silicon M1 Macs
Adds VST3 plugin version

My guess is that there will be no new ADDED features, but will be UPDATES and FIXES.

In terms of the last significant new feature update (ignoring the 9th output) we're looking at August '21 for a scalable UI and a the Smart Update, both quite utilitarian that were the same across the whole range. For a proper unique Stylus software feature, it's 2009! So I don't get a strong sense that this change liberates more resources for the replacement.

[zvenx]

Grace Period was indeed the phrase I was looking for.

Here is my recollection.. Atmosphere and Trilogy limped along.. I remember apple switched from power pc to intel and those were caught in the transition and there were some kind of work arounds (don't quite remember them now).. then Omnisphere came out of the blue (well out of the blue for me). Well not entirely out of the blue.. We knew ahead of time that Spectrasonics were not happy wth response time from UVI (who did the Atmosphere and Trilogy engine) and were committed to doing their own.. When that would be finished was to my knowledge never announced till Bam Eric hit us with the sound... a THX sound I think started it all.

Interestingly I just realised one can special order RMX.

rsp

[noiseboyuk]

I've tried google searching but no luck on finding out if Atmosphere went legacy before Omnisphere's release.

I do remember that first THX video - it seemed wildy OTT at the time, but hey Omni did okay.

Well, I doubt we'll see anything at NAMM as they are not exhibitors this year (only ILIO) and they'd likely have started teasing by now if they were. So I'm still not expecting anything imminently. Given everything, I think it's still possible for a few weeks / months time though. I guess I figure the move to legacy signifies something internally (like a grace period), it doesn't make much sense otherwise.

[beely]

Well, I doubt we'll see anything at NAMM as they are not exhibitors this year (only ILIO) and they'd likely have started teasing by now if they were. So I'm still not expecting anything imminently. Given everything, I think it's still possible for a few weeks / months time though. I guess I figure the move to legacy signifies something internally (like a grace period), it doesn't make much sense otherwise.

I think the same (as I've already posted above).

My point with the support comment was that if the release and announcement/marketing was locked in for a weeks' time/NAMM etc, there's no reason to not say something along the lines of "check back for something exciting soon" because most of the reasons for not saying what you're doing (which we all know) are moot by that late stage - the release is already locked in.

So I'd guess it's still some months away (*if* RMX2/whatever is actually coming) - Spectrasonics like to do a big splash for a big new release, and if it was ready for NAMM, they'd doubtless have done something for NAMM I think. Instead, they're more likely to do one of their "launch event"-type private parties with a bunch of guests and stream it online etc when they're good to go.

Interestingly, Ilio's NAMM schedule has just been posted:
https://www.kvraudio.com/focus/ilio-sch ... 2024-59877

The Spectrasonics demos all seem to be for "Bob Moog Tribute Library 2" for Omnisphere. (A 2-year old product).

https://x.com/ColyerMusic/status/173494 ... 43397?s=20

[noiseboyuk]

Interestingly, Ilio's NAMM schedule has just been posted:
https://www.kvraudio.com/focus/ilio-sch ... 2024-59877

The Spectrasonics demos all seem to be for "Bob Moog Tribute Library 2" for Omnisphere. (A 2-year old product).

https://x.com/ColyerMusic/status/173494 ... 43397?s=20

Seems odd to me too - but one of the other rotating demos is for a steel pan library that was released last January so... either it's a lot of boring demos for old libraries or there are a lot of placeholders there.