Sad state of Native Instruments

[Milkman]

Were there not a few older NI products listed on the KVR marketplace?? Im sure at least Massive and Absynth used to be there. I see no trace of anything to do with NI on the marketplace. When did that happen? Not having brand management control or sponsorship over this community made them run away? lmaaaao

[Introspective]

I'm going with "rolling updates" and will just check back in a week. No rush for me, anyway.

Hmm - no such thing as "rolling updates" for Kontakt on Windows. As soon as a new update is available - we get it.

What version of Native Access are you running?

Don't feel like you need to do tech support for me, here. But since you're asking: 1.14.1

...but doesn't this auto-update? It says it's checking every time I start it...

[Vocalpoint Studios]

Don't feel like you need to do tech support for me, here. But since you're asking: 1.14.1

No Problem

This is most definitely your issue. Native Access v1.x is now dead and retired and will never update past v1.14.1

You need to move your operations to Native Access 2 (with an utterly confusing version number of v3.8.1)

Once you get NA v3.8.1 going - everything will fall into place.

VP

[Introspective]

This is most definitely your issue. Native Access v1.x is now dead and retired and will never update past v1.14.1

You need to move your operations to Native Access 2 (with an utterly confusing version number of v3.8.1)

Once you get NA v3.8.1 going - everything will fall into place

Ahhh. Thanks. ...was... NI ever going to ... mmmmmention this to users?

[mixyguy2]

I hated Kontakt from the first time I tried it, but ultimately relented (at a great cross-grade price) because so many *plugins I wanted to use required it.

*Sampled instruments..

*Sampled instruments are plugins.

No.
They're instrument libraries for the plugin. (i.e. Kontakt is the plugin required to run them.)

And what about libraries which don't require Kontakt? Sorry, no. Anything (VI, effects, Kontakt, etc) that runs within your DAW is a plugin...a plugin for your DAW. Instrument "libraries" are plugins. But you're free to call them whatever you want.

[mixyguy2]

I hated Kontakt from the first time I tried it, but ultimately relented (at a great cross-grade price) because so many *plugins I wanted to use required it.

*Sampled instruments..

*Sampled instruments are plugins.

Uhm..... no

uhhhh.....yeah

[mixyguy2]

Were there not a few older NI products listed on the KVR marketplace?? Im sure at least Massive and Absynth used to be there. I see no trace of anything to do with NI on the marketplace. When did that happen? Not having brand management control or sponsorship over this community made them run away? lmaaaao

For awhile NI was offering a killer deal (IMO) on Pluginboutique and not sure where else, maybe KVR: Massive, Absynth, and FM8 for $50, which I jumped on (even though I don't like or use FM8). I haven't seen it in awhile, but haven't really been looking...it might have been a "one last gasp" to get some money out of them.

[BBFG#]

I hated Kontakt from the first time I tried it, but ultimately relented (at a great cross-grade price) because so many *plugins I wanted to use required it.

*Sampled instruments..

*Sampled instruments are plugins.

No.
They're instrument libraries for the plugin. (i.e. Kontakt is the plugin required to run them.)

And what about libraries which don't require Kontakt? Sorry, no. Anything (VI, effects, Kontakt, etc) that runs within your DAW is a plugin...a plugin for your DAW. Instrument "libraries" are plugins. But you're free to call them whatever you want.

As are you.
But anything that requires a host plugin (or DAW) to run is a library and confusing it otherwise in misnomered or conflated ways doesn't change that.
And we were discussing Kontakt here.

[mixyguy2]

Again, no. Based on that logic, a reverb or a delay is a "library" because it requires a DAW to run. Libraries VI-based; they are not effects. That said, all VIs are not libraries. Libraries are collections of things, like an orchestral library. A guitar VI (for example) is just that, a VI...a single instrument. Not a library.

As for "we were discussing Kontakt here," funny you should say that, since you were the one who brought up the whole nomenclature thing. Anyway...

Kontakt: v7? Pass.

[BBFG#]

Well, you're confused and I don't think that knot can be simply untied by telling you to just read it again.

[jamcat]

So here's the KONTAKT 7 browser before the v7.8.0 update:






And here is it in v7.8.0:







So, some text elements and symbols are proper fonts and vectors now, but everything in the menu bar up top is still low resolution, including the NI and KONTAKT logos.

[machinesworking]

Again, no. Based on that logic, a reverb or a delay is a "library" because it requires a DAW to run. Libraries VI-based; they are not effects. That said, all VIs are not libraries. Libraries are collections of things, like an orchestral library. A guitar VI (for example) is just that, a VI...a single instrument. Not a library.

As for "we were discussing Kontakt here," funny you should say that, since you were the one who brought up the whole nomenclature thing. Anyway...

Kontakt: v7? Pass.

Here. Look at the NI page on Kontakt, they never mention the term plugin for the Kontakt instruments. They mention them as "instruments" 25 times, of those 25 times only once is it used to say "Native Intruments", it's always used to describe what you keep calling plugins. I mean you personally can call them whatever you want to, but there's mountains of evidence on the internet contradicting your opinion on this. In general nomenclature for DAWs is pretty loose, but Kontakt Instruments are not loose, it's what they call them.

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... kontakt-7/

[rasmusklump]

I hated Kontakt from the first time I tried it, but ultimately relented (at a great cross-grade price) because so many *plugins I wanted to use required it.

*Sampled instruments..

*Sampled instruments are plugins.

No.
They're instrument libraries for the plugin. (i.e. Kontakt is the plugin required to run them.)

And what about libraries which don't require Kontakt? Sorry, no. Anything (VI, effects, Kontakt, etc) that runs within your DAW is a plugin...a plugin for your DAW. Instrument "libraries" are plugins. But you're free to call them whatever you want.

Keep spreading nonsense

[LFO8]

So here's the KONTAKT 7 browser before the v7.8.0 update:






And here is it in v7.8.0:







So, some text elements and symbols are proper fonts and vectors now, but everything in the menu bar up top is still low resolution, including the NI and KONTAKT logos.

Jesus wept...

[whyterabbyt]

Native Instruments official nomenclature is that 'Libraries' applies to sample sets of single instruments(*), not just collections of musical instruments, as can be seen on their advice for users. The following pages, for example, specifically refer to single-device/instrument sample sets as Libraries, including those by NI (ie Noire) and third-parties (SoundIron Desk Bell)
This nomenclature also applies to Libraries which do not require authorisation by NI and thus do not necessarily appear within the Libraries tab.

(*) note the lower case i, to differentiate from a Kontakt Instrument; here it refers to sound-generating thing that was sampled.

https://support.native-instruments.com/ ... -Libraries
https://support.native-instruments.com/ ... kt-Library
https://support.native-instruments.com/ ... -s-Browser


The official nomenclature is that an Instrument (upper case I) is an .nki file, in other words a Kontakt patch which includes the sample map, routing, configuration, scripts, etc. A Library can contain one or more .nki files (Which is why the Library browser shows the Instruments within a Library), and obviously a single .nki file can refer to samples for one or more musical instruments or sound generating devices.

https://support.native-instruments.com/ ... Instrument

All Kontakt information about loading, saving, licensing, accessing and using Libraries is not replicated for loading, saving, licensing, accessing and using Instruments as it would be if there was a specific differentiation between one and more than one 'instruments' ; that is because a Library contains Instruments; Instruments are not an alternative to Libraries solely differentiated on the number of different sampled devices included.

These are NI's specific uses of these terms. They are not binding to other software, but there is no specific software which defines 'instrument' as only being a sampleset of one musical instrument/sound-creating device, and 'library' as only being a sampleset of multiple musical instrument/sound-creating device.
It is also true that this differentiation is not made in common usage of these cases.

Neither Kontakt Libraries, nor Kontakt Instruments are plugins. Kontakt itself exists as plugins, software written to confirm to specific plugin standards (APIs), and as a separate software application which runs independently of some plugin host. Kontakt Libraries are collections of data files including Kontakt Instrument files, and Kontakt Instruments are a specific format of data file, whereas plugins are executable code, ie software. The conflation of code and data should be avoided by non-programmers.