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pdxindy wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 10:08 pm
dlandis wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:26 am So, it would appear that when buying a new machine, there is no way to reinstall (?), since the server is very obviously down. I'm not sure why Wolfgang Palm left us no permanent way to authorize the software, except that he presumably was genuinely convinced that Brainworx was going to continue his legacy (and was going to pick-up the customer service for pre-existing customers.) This, of course, didn't happen.
Also, why buy it? I would assume Brainworx had some plan for the software besides sticking it in a vault where nobody could use it.
This is a great question. My wife reminded me of how some companies buy competitors' companies just to demote their quality. (As a saxophonist, I know that Selmer bought, for example, Beuscher to keep them from competing with their saxophones [and other horns.] After the purchase of the company, Beuscher's output was then reduced to only student quality instruments.) Other times, the idea is only to entirely sandbag perceived competition. But it's also possible that Brainworx severely underestimated the effort and/or money that would have been involved to fully undertake maintaining the PPG line. Perhaps, the software was just as idiosyncratic internally as it was represented externally (I'm not a coder, so this is purely conjectural.) Against this, however, it appeared that Mr. Palm would have been happy to remain in at least a part-time consultant role.

There are, at least, a couple of scenarios that do not betray a nefarious intent on the part of Brainworx. These, of course, do nothing to eliminate the frustration the customer feels when an otherwise useful piece of software is rendered useless.
“Madness, as you know, is like gravity: all it takes is a little push.”

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dlandis wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 10:48 pm Perhaps, the software was just as idiosyncratic internally as it was represented externally (I'm not a coder, so this is purely conjectural.)
My guess is that it was (is). But that is something that can be determined before purchase.

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pdxindy wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 11:07 pm
dlandis wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 10:48 pm Perhaps, the software was just as idiosyncratic internally as it was represented externally (I'm not a coder, so this is purely conjectural.)
My guess is that it was (is). But that is something that can be determined before purchase.
One would think that, but perhaps there were reasons that a mistake was made in this area? Again, I'm just conjecturing.

If the complexity of the s/w was an underlying factor in the way this turned out, perhaps the issue was more on Brainworx's end? I don't know how big they are, but maybe they lost a one or more key members of their staff about the same time as the purchase?

I'm guessing that we'll never know the full answer. But with all the choices one has now for synthesis, that may not be all that bad of a situation.
“Madness, as you know, is like gravity: all it takes is a little push.”

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dlandis wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 11:18 pm I'm guessing that we'll never know the full answer. But with all the choices one has now for synthesis, that may not be all that bad of a situation.
I've moved on... but if nothing else, the work of an historical figure in synthesis should at least be available as un-supported freeware.

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pdxindy wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 11:42 pm
dlandis wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 11:18 pm I'm guessing that we'll never know the full answer. But with all the choices one has now for synthesis, that may not be all that bad of a situation.
I've moved on... but if nothing else, the work of an historical figure in synthesis should at least be available as un-supported freeware.
Totally agreed. :tu:
“Madness, as you know, is like gravity: all it takes is a little push.”

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dlandis wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:26 am , since the server is very obviously down.
Wait, you are sure that reg server already down ? I mean, downed WP site it's not all yet.
Do you tried to install ?
(myself not able to check now, since all my WP stuff currently installed)
drsyncenstein wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:49 pm The nice people from Team R2R have a reliable workaround for that.
As a last resort, yes.

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Why i ask, just similar cases already had to be, recently with Accusonus stuff. Site\products was discontinued as you know, but reg server was still worked (not sure how state now though).

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lotus2035 wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 8:33 am
masterhiggins wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 4:21 am So.....it's been nearly 3 years and...nothing. Does anyone else think they took a look at the code and said...yeah, no.....?

It's a shame. I love WaveMapper and WaveGenerator. :(
Goddammit I started reading this thread thinking it was current news. :clown:
Same here. Been too busy to visit this place very often but today took a quick glance and saw this new. Started reading thinking that maybe I will pick some of those synths up finally. Then got the the part where I realized this was from 2020 and nothing has happened since. :dog:
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robotmonkey wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2024 12:26 pm
lotus2035 wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 8:33 am
masterhiggins wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 4:21 am So.....it's been nearly 3 years and...nothing. Does anyone else think they took a look at the code and said...yeah, no.....?

It's a shame. I love WaveMapper and WaveGenerator. :(
Goddammit I started reading this thread thinking it was current news. :clown:
Same here. Been too busy to visit this place very often but today took a quick glance and saw this new. Started reading thinking that maybe I will pick some of those synths up finally. Then got the the part where I realized this was from 2020 and nothing has happened since. :dog:
No, gentlemen: nothing new to report on a possible Brainworx release of WaveMapper 2. It's just those of us trying to clean up after the mess, particularly on new machines.
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c_voltage wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2024 11:02 am
dlandis wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:26 am , since the server is very obviously down.
Wait, you are sure that reg server already down ? I mean, downed WP site it's not all yet.
Do you tried to install ?
(myself not able to check now, since all my WP stuff currently installed)
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Why i ask, just similar cases already had to be, recently with Accusonus stuff. Site\products was discontinued as you know, but reg server was still worked (not sure how state now though).
No, I'm afraid I can't attempt a reinstall. As it turns out (and for whatever reason that I can't explain at all now, being several years after the fact,) I seem to have saved the Mac installer and I am on a PC. So, it would seem to be a no-go for me unless someone decides to send me the PC installer file (I have the key file, receipt, and everything I need to prove ownership except literally the PC installer file. The installer does seem to have been permanently blitzed when my back-up drive took a nose-dive.)

If you liked the Accusonus apps (I did as well,) you may want to look at Factorsynth by Anemond. It does much of ReGroover did and has some new approaches as well. The UI is also very refreshing.
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dlandis wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2024 7:11 pm So, it would seem to be a no-go for me unless someone decides to send me the PC installer file (I have the key file, receipt, and everything I need to prove ownership except literally the PC installer file.
I've got the Mac installers on my old computer, but I'm not saving/backing them up. They are not Apple Silicon native so...

Vital has the text to wavetable function and Icarus can resynthesize short vocal samples pretty well so I've got Phonem reasonably replaced.

And as for the PPG wavetable stuff, the new Zebralette 3 spline based wavetable editor is mindblowingly good. :love:

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pdxindy wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2024 7:42 pm
dlandis wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2024 7:11 pm So, it would seem to be a no-go for me unless someone decides to send me the PC installer file (I have the key file, receipt, and everything I need to prove ownership except literally the PC installer file.
I've got the Mac installers on my old computer, but I'm not saving/backing them up. They are not Apple Silicon native so...

Vital has the text to wavetable function and Icarus can resynthesize short vocal samples pretty well so I've got Phonem reasonably replaced.

And as for the PPG wavetable stuff, the new Zebralette 3 spline based wavetable editor is mindblowingly good. :love:
Assuming that WaveMapper 2 is a loss, I've decided to look at the situation a bit differently. While I do have Vital, and will buy Zebra 3 when it arrives, I do also have PPG Wave 3 via Waldorf. Oddly, however, sonically I find Sugar Bytes' Factory and (probably) Aparillo to be pretty close to the signature of WaveMapper 2. That whole pearly upper partial proclivity is really well represented in much of what I hear in Factory. Aparillo I don't own yet, but I'm most likely going to pick it up; from the demos, I'm gathering that it has a kind of similarity to WaveMapper 2 as well.

As much as I enjoyed WaveMapper 2, it would be somewhat of a misstatement to say that the majority of the timbral real estate cannot be picked up in other synths: in some ways, much of what has happened in synthesis can be seen as a huge nod to Wolfgang Palm's work.

Your earlier comment about "the work of an historical figure in synthesis should at least be available as un-supported freeware" is spot-on, however, and very well-put.
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dlandis wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2024 9:35 pm Aparillo I don't own yet, but I'm most likely going to pick it up; from the demos, I'm gathering that it has a kind of similarity to WaveMapper 2 as well.
I tried Amarillo and didn't particularly like the sound of it, though I think you are right that there is some similarity with Wavemapper.

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pdxindy wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2024 10:12 pm
dlandis wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2024 9:35 pm Aparillo I don't own yet, but I'm most likely going to pick it up; from the demos, I'm gathering that it has a kind of similarity to WaveMapper 2 as well.
I tried Amarillo and didn't particularly like the sound of it, though I think you are right that there is some similarity with Wavemapper.
I like how Aparillo can sounds similar to the FM stuff that the Prophet 5 does. Factory and Icarus I think share traits with the WAvemapper functionality and sound. Hive's arpeggiator/sequencer reminds me of the PPG Arptor.

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I'll be waiting for the Behringer PPG, personally.

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@dlandis
Ok i see.
Regards Accusonus stuff, no, fortunately i did not make it in time to buy bundle with Regroover (although wanted, shortly before vendor removing), so there was no way to get used to it.
All i have only Beatformer fx, but i really find it useful. Kind of a unique thing, and i don’t think that able to find direct replacement.
(But fortunately, in the worst case there is an extra option for him, too).

Regards Wolfgang` stuff, lol i'm amazed at how easily you guys find replacements for everything. I can't that way. Love Aparillo though, but actually considering it as some unique thing too, not similar to anything, nor especially to WaveMapper.
In theory, if i would want to find his signature, i rather pay attention to Waldorf stuff, specifically Nave (and he have simple tts system btw, that can interact with wavetables, if i not mistake). Next perhaps could been PPG 3V, already mentioned.
(Can't say about Largo though, since a bit pain to remember about his last UI incarnation).

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