Vember Audio Surge is now open-source

[Nug Wrangler]

Sorry for off topic but how far into are you guys with shortcircuit ?

[baconpaul]

A lot is starting to work. I have the mod matrix ripped apart on my box now but it is doing plenty already. If you are a discord user we are happy to have folks join us there for the pre alpha tests

[audiojunkie]

That's great news!! ShortCircuit-XT is, in my opinion, one of the most important Open Source plugin applications in the Linux Music Production world....... A full blown sampler! I see Sfizz more as a library player, rather than an actual sampler. I know, I know... Semantics. But the point is, this is a very, very important undertaking, and I am so grateful that you are working on it!

We have many available powerful synths. One of the best: Surge-XT
We have a powerful sampler: ShortCircuit-XT
We have a powerful drum sampler: DrumGizmo
We have a powerful library player: Sfizz
We have a powerful Guitar Amp Sim: Guitarix.vst
We have many available effects Suites. One of the best: Linux Studio Plugins suite
We have a powerful DAW: Ardour

With these things, a completely professional Open Source DAW/Plugin Music Production workstation is available to all!

Very, very appreciated!!!

[Nug Wrangler]

A lot is starting to work. I have the mod matrix ripped apart on my box now but it is doing plenty already. If you are a discord user we are happy to have folks join us there for the pre alpha tests

Great

[baconpaul]

@audiojunkie - totally agree on “library sampler” vs “fun sampler” and while short circuit will have features which work well in both contexts making sure it works super well as a “sample initiated synth” is one of our core goals. We don’t want to be kontakt or sfizz

But we also don’t want to just be “surge which plays samples”

Short version: I don’t think that’s just semantics I think it is one of the things we think about the most when talking about features for the eventual product

[Z3R0T0N1N]

wow I really didn't know this SC-XT thing was happening!! I'm so pleased so see this.
I bought ShortCircuit 1 back in the early 2000s, and have always considered it the best virtual sampler I ever used. Thrilled that it's coming back in some form. I still use it all the time on my smaller computers.

[bulevardi]

The only thing is missing is a 'simple' arpeggiator.

Not a big deal, because there are many external arpeggiators existing.

I just stumbled upon 'Stochas' yesterday evening...
It seems to have everything on board I was looking for, (still have to test if things work out in my setup), but it's managed by the Surge Synth Team aswel:
https://surge-synth-team.org/

Why haven't I discovered this earlier? The other projects should be mentioned on the Surge site too, or a link to the team's main website
https://surge-synthesizer.github.io/

Kenny made a video on this 2 years ago, seems a very useful sequencer in combination with Surge. This needs more publicity

[bulevardi]

I see in the Patch Options at the bottom, you can set the randomization to stable.
It can be an interesting idea that once you have a nice sounding pattern, you can hit a button to stabilize it and export this pattern to midi, and drag the midi around in your DAW, so you can edit it there in piano roll too.
Idea for the developers

P.S. from the video above, I'm wondering how he imports the different drum parts in each line. It's not so clear for me:

[baconpaul]

I bought ShortCircuit 1 back in the early 2000s, and have always considered it the best virtual sampler I ever used. Thrilled that it's coming back in some form.

The project is way way more of a rebuild that the first surge 1.6 was. It’s more “the spirit of short circuit plus the dsp for sample playback” (although sc and surge shared a lot of dsp and the same will be true with the xts).

But that means one of the more useful sets of testers we will need this spring (or now if you are into super alpha stuff - or maybe after the weekend when I’m finished this mod matrix rebuild) is people who loved short circuit to make sure we keep the “spirit” right. We have a few folks with that profile in the discord already and we welcome more!

[glokraw]

The linux Yoshimi synth (zynaddsuvfx variant) has 16 part multi-timbral layering. Having that in ShortCircuit would be several epochs beyond wonderful Also, a phrase like 'It's just Surge playing samples'...
...seems pretty dream-like to me, as a descriptor

https://github.com/Yoshimi

[EvilDragon]

It is of course intention for SCXT to support 16-part multitimbrality. But let's move Shortcircuit related discussion to its own thread, perhaps?

[audiojunkie]

Edit: Sorry, I didn't realize this was the Surge thread. I've moved my questions to the ShortCircuit-XT thread as per EvilDragon's request listed above.

[Vince]

Is there somewhere a wishlist ( reachable online ) of features that could be added to Surge XT ?

[Andreya_Autumn]

Yes: https://github.com/surge-synthesizer/surge/issues

That's the general issue list. You can filter out other stuff by clicking "labels" and then finding "feature requests". There's also a search bar. If the things you're thinking of aren't in an issue you can either make one, or if you don't have/want a github account write the request out here. Or join our Discord (linked on Surge website), up to you.

[brok landers]

Hi EvilDragon,
besides the fact that i really love Surge XT, i'm having a few questions i hope you can maybe address:

- am i missing something, or is there no way to control the level after the first filter which feeds the waveshaper? reason i am saying this is, that the slider for the waveshaper only goes only +-24dbfs. As i sometimes drive the filter quite hard with the osc output, in most cases when i do that (to get the internals structure of some filters to "sound - and also to shrink the distance between selfoscillation and the osc level itself), the 24dbfs attenuation often is not enough. Then the drive of the waveshaper models that are leveldependent sond really good - but way too much. Now i know - and that is how i work around this - i can use a macro slider and lower the waveshaper gain slider to an even lower amount than 24dbfs - but yeah. Is there the possibility to add a "constant" mod source or whatever solution so that one can adjust these levels accordingly?

- i really like the reverb 2 algorithm. But i noticed, that even when the low damping slider is at its minimum, there's still quite a noticable low damping going on. Is there a way to remidy that in the code?

- and my last question - years ago i was asking for the possibility to be able to not only retrigger the oscs, but also being able to set the start phase of the osc. Back then you said the code is not ready for that - but it's on the list. Is there any chance - any progress?

- and lastly an observation:
The oscs in classic mode and wavetable always retrigger, when unison isn't used - even though the retrigger button is off. Seems like a bug to me.

So yeah - would be nice if you could clear me up. Thanks in advance.