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emanuelsj · Post by **emanuelsj** » Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:06 pm

Just finished an electronic music, where I have used Natalie, from Synthesizer V. I'm totally blown away with the results I was able to get. I have also used my voice to double the chorus just because I wanted to hear myself there too. I hope you will like it!

audiojunkie · Post by **audiojunkie** » Fri Feb 16, 2024 4:17 pm

This is one Synth that's on my purchase list--even if the copy protection is C/R. I don't think another tool of this quality exists in the world (at least to this date). It even supports Linux. With my voice capabilities getting worse instead of better year after year, this looks like a good replacement.

muzicxs · Post by **muzicxs** » Fri Feb 16, 2024 8:12 pm

The EULA is the only reason I have not yet bought this. It's beyond ridiculous what you have to obey to.

Monsieur_FyP · Post by **Monsieur_FyP** » Fri Feb 16, 2024 8:21 pm

audiojunkie wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 4:17 pmgetting worse instead of better year after year

I might as well warn you: year after year, EVERYTHING gets worse: eyes, ears, teeth, hair, muscles, memory, and so on. And there's no Viagra for music!

Except listening to Bach or Debussy, maybe...

MJACau · Post by **MJACau** » Sat Feb 17, 2024 1:35 pm

muzicxs wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 8:12 pm The EULA is the only reason I have not yet bought this. It's beyond ridiculous what you have to obey to.

A lot that has been addressed, you own what you make if you have brought the plugin
like any synth.
The Old Eula's were a throw back based on fandom and Vocaloid licences to anime characters.

I agree the C/R is a pain, I had my motherboard nuke it's self last year and lost activations, an email explain this to SV and the voice vendors I had my 3 activations reset. SV is worth it.

JonSolo · Post by **JonSolo** » Wed Feb 21, 2024 6:57 pm

I am still waiting for the next update. The features look really sick moving forward!

dastewart · Post by **dastewart** » Tue Sep 10, 2024 9:36 pm

18 months after being blown away by the demos of this I finally bought it. Despite being hugely impressed by the technology I just didn't need it but recently I've been thinking about using vocal libraries for backing vocals and after a wizz round what's available I decided to take the plunge and got this today.

I was about to hit the button on Realivox Ladies but for the same price (or less) got myself this and Natalie. Okay, only one Lady rather than the 5 that Realivox comes with but this feels like the future. I'm still not totally convinced for lead vocals (although it's bloody close) but for backing vocals it's incredible.

I think. Early tests are good but may take some time before I'm fully ready to commit.

stoopicus · Post by **stoopicus** » Tue Sep 10, 2024 10:45 pm

So they finally moved on from the anime idol/weeb licensing and EULA?

I own Vocaloid 6, curious how it compares.

dastewart · Post by **dastewart** » Wed Sep 11, 2024 5:27 pm

Er, sorry but not sure what you mean by "anime idol/weeb licensing and EULA?"

I didn't spend a lot of time comparing it to vocaloid 6 tbh but I've been following the development of Synth V for quite a while now and it just felt more familiar even though I've only just bought it. And the demos I've listened to were incredibly impressive. Certainly good enough for backing vocals and lead in certain situations.

stoopicus · Post by **stoopicus** » Thu Sep 12, 2024 7:27 am

Earlier (2-3 years ago), significant emphasis was put in to developing histories/backstories/personalities for the vocaloids as if they were human idol singers, and the ways you could use them were restricted. Or as MJACau put it,

MJACau wrote: Sat Feb 17, 2024 1:35 pm The Old Eula's were a throw back based on fandom and Vocaloid licences to anime characters.

Even back then it was a good product though, easy to use. Vocaloid 6 now is better than Synth V was then, but I am curious about how much SV has advanced.

Yamaha's licensing on V6 is pretty restrictive too.

dastewart · Post by **dastewart** » Thu Sep 12, 2024 8:22 am

Ah, ok. Well, the EULA on Synth V seemed okay to me. I'm not a lawyer but the gist of it was that you could use it on any commercial release (i.e. song) but you can't use it to try and re-sell your own vocal packs. That seems fair to me.

Like I say, sorry I didn't compare it to vocaloid so can't really help there.

audiojunkie · Post by **audiojunkie** » Thu Sep 12, 2024 3:46 pm

dastewart wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 8:22 am Ah, ok. Well, the EULA on Synth V seemed okay to me. I'm not a lawyer but the gist of it was that you could use it on any commercial release (i.e. song) but you can't use it to try and re-sell your own vocal packs. That seems fair to me.

Like I say, sorry I didn't compare it to vocaloid so can't really help there.

I think part of the problem IIRC, was that you weren't able to use a fictional singer name for your vocals, and had to credit SynthesizerV or something like that. Has that changed?

dastewart · Post by **dastewart** » Thu Sep 12, 2024 4:10 pm

Good question. I've just had a look and the EULA applies to the voice pack and not to Synth V. So here's the relevant bit if you use a Dreamtonics voice pack

(1) When Presenting a Rendition, the User must not use names other than designated by Dreamtonics to identify the SVD.

I mean, not crystal clear but seems fair enough. I'm not going to credit the AI voice of "Natalie" to somebody else but I can use "Natalie" in my productions as long as I don't pretend that I've got, say, Adele coming in to the studio.

I've just had a look at Eclipsed Sounds - Solaria EULA (they do some really good voices for Synth V) and it says something similar but in different words

The user may never attribute audio generated using the Synthesizer V SOLARIA product to "Emma" or "Emma Rowley" and may only attribute generated vocals to SOLARIA or leave them unattributed except in certain circumstances - contact Eclipsed Sounds to determine eligibility for these exceptions.

For context, Emma Rowley was the singer they used to create the Solaria vocal pack.

For me, what they're trying to do is stop people passing off the vocals as their own and I'm okay with that. It doesn't mean you can't use the vocals in your productions as long as you don't specifically imply that somebody else is singing these lines.

stoopicus · Post by **stoopicus** » Thu Sep 12, 2024 8:19 pm

IIRC in the past you *had* to credit the vocaloid by name and there were clauses about not being able to produce "objectionable" content with it.

Vocaloid 6 has that latter restriction as well.

dastewart · Post by **dastewart** » Thu Sep 12, 2024 10:06 pm

Yeah, I can't see anything in the Dreamtonics EULA about "objectionable" content

https://dreamtonics.com/terms/

And the Eclipsed Sounds EULA doesn't really have anything except that you can't use it for "Any action that is against public order and morals, or an act of disclosing obscene audio generated by the User’s usage of this SVD to others.".

Which seems pretty broad.

And you certainly don't *have* to credit the vocal by name. I think that would kill sales tbh so if it was ever in there I guess they took it out once they realised the implication.

So from a EULA front I think the Synth V voices (certainly from Dreamtonics and Eclipsed Sounds) are good. But from a "quality" perspective I still have no idea how it compares to vocaloid.

Synthesizer V - Singing voice synth for Win/Linux/Mac (Free & Payware)