TAL-Pha Released! Alpha Juno II Emulation from TAL-Software

VST, AU, AAX, CLAP, etc. Plugin Virtual Instruments Discussion
Post Reply New Topic
RELATED
PRODUCTS
TAL-Pha$120.00Buy

Post

I just wanted to say that Himalayas presets pretty much instantly sold me on the t𝛼. I never used the original before. If you want to hear sounds that can 🤯 go through the presets.
himalaya wrote: Sat Feb 17, 2024 12:23 pm There's a lot of confusion here. TalPha is not as simple as some would think. Patrick has extended the features to make it much more flexible than the original, and I know that by doing so, this synth has some magic sauce.

The original doesn't have oscillator hard-sync nor waveform detune. The original is a single DCO + sub osc. TalPha has the same core design but Patrick added osc hard-sync and the ability to detune between the two sets of waveforms (each vertical waveform selection column can be detuned against each other). This isn't a simplistic single DCO oscillator synth, since it can provide all manner of poly-synth sounds right here. Then, add the sub-oscillator and all of a sudden you get some monster basses and leads, or whatever you desire with two detuned waves + a sub. Then, if this isn't phat/big enough, add some unison and all of a sudden that single DCO is left behind in a distant galaxy. With careful use, you can get some huge sounds, not least some very deep atmospheric pads that a single DCO + sub synth could never create. For example, try these presets:

Pad - Etheric Dreams in Blue (and its variants)
Pad - Deeper Emotion
Soundscapes - Sustain Me in this Dream
etc...

The magic for me is in the combination of the extra Juno-exclusive and maybe 'exotic' waveforms ('exotic' for a vintage synth) mixed with hard-sync, mixed with the multi-stage envelope and the super cool velocity modes. This can give some super beautiful sounds, that are very easy to make.

The waveforms + hard sync.
Normally, when it comes to hard-sync, the methodology is to use it with an envelope for that classic, rich sweep, be it a lead (big mod amount long decay) or a bass (less mod amount, shorter decay). But here, this synth somehow invites me to use it in a different way to how I’d normally use it in other synths and by doing so it provides some very cool sounds. This actually answers the question some people asked in this thread: 'why oh why another simplistic emulation'? For me, it is because the workflow is different which gives different results. The proof is in this combination of some of the ‘exotic’ DCO waveforms plus hard-sync. Try the following presets to hear what I mean. This definitely isn't a single DCO synth:

Almost PPG
Alphax Poly
Newtone

If you like new 'colours' and are not fixated on another 'phat' Minimoog bass, or another OBX pad, or more Jupiter-8 poly-warmth, etc, than you will find a very vibrant palette of sounds in those DCO waveforms + hard sync.

Velocity.
The way velocity works in this synth also provides some beautiful results. I know… ‘velocity’, what is there to get hyped about when it comes to ‘velocity’? Well, here it somehow leads to some unexpended results. Again, I’d be making a sound without velocity (for vintage analog sounds I often prefer patches without velocity) and then I’d switch into one of the two velocity modes…and…all of a sudden I'd get a new, and very beautiful sound! Somehow the velocity modes 'pull' the base values down and reveal different timbres. And again, the actual workflow of this synth lead me to discovery of new sounds. This is very valuable, I’d say.
Check out these very dynamic presets that focus on velocity , which if you are a player, you might like a lot:

Liquid Keys
Midnight Keys
Moon Teardrops
Physical Modelarium

The multi-stage envelope.
The multi-stage envelope is also super cool. We take complex envelopes for granted in most 'Uber' synths that do-it-all. But again, here we have apparently a simplistic single DCO synth and yet this envelope helps to refine and actually create many sounds! It can add precise articulation to the sound, be it with snappy attacks, clicky decays, and sculpted faded swells. Yup, it's just one envelope, but it's all I needed on a synth like this.

Check out preset:
‘Found in the Attic’ for a very cool snappy, clicky attack that is followed by uniform sustain. This makes it sound almost like some Hammond organ with that characteristic percussive attack.

'Harpsichord - static’ is another example where this envelope helps to shape the sound, which otherwise would lack that specific ‘pluck’.
For a more contemporary sound, try this chord stab for a super fast attack that is made with the extra envelope stages: 'Minor Triad - Attack Sizzler'.

There are synths that look simple and yet pack a lot of punch, synths like Strobe2, RayBlaster, etc. and Tal Alpha belongs to this group. Overall, the feature set and the workflow provide some startling results and push TalPha well beyond what the original Juno 2 could do. This stays in my 'favourites' plugin folder.

Post

So Patrick is open to the idea of the grey skin, but is wondering if ya'll would go for it. I know some of you will prefer the current colors, and some of you don't care. Basically, he wants to gauge interest. I suppose we could run a poll, but maybe some feedback here would be enough. My suggestion was to allow skinning or color customization so as to not piss off the people used to the OG skin. Based on Patrick's feedback (and me reading between the lines) I'm not sure if that is doable.

So, thoughts?

Image
Last edited by hurricaneaudiolab on Sat Feb 17, 2024 4:29 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Post

I definitely prefer the original one he did.. But another one can't hurt.
rsp
sound sculptist

Post

I prefer the splash of colour on the current skin tbh. That grey version is a bit drab. But if he changed it I could easily live with it, it's easy on the eyes.

Post

That one looks cool, looks along the lines of an older SH synth. Don't mind the current one, but that ones pretty nice too.

Post

I definitely prefer the grey, I agree that it is easy on eyes. I wonder if it's possible to have different skins like Bassline-101.

Post

Yeah, different skins is ideal.

Post

synaesthesia wrote: Sat Feb 17, 2024 10:55 am
liquidsound wrote: Sat Feb 17, 2024 10:24 am At 8:05 he says “sync the TWO Oscillators”…
Haha. My brain didn't know how to parse it any other way in that moment!

Obviously I meant waveforms but, the way it works feels very similar to having two oscillators at your disposal, especially when you start to use the Voice Tuning option as well as all the modulation capabilities.
You’re right. I got confused by his wording. I’m not familiar with that model…
ABEFLGMOPPRRST :phones:

Post

The gray one looks better on a small screen.
Definitely a valuable addition to the original.
ABEFLGMOPPRRST :phones:

Post

:tu: :tu: yupp on the grey skin.

Post

This synth has a nice sound, but if Tal made some additions i wonder why he didnt add another envelope.

Post

I much prefer the gray skin !

Post

I like it a lot.
hurricaneaudiolab wrote: Sat Feb 17, 2024 3:53 pm So Patrick is open to the idea of the grey skin, but is wondering if ya'll would go for it. I know some of you will prefer the current colors, and some of you don't care. Basically, he wants to gauge interest. I suppose we could run a poll, but maybe some feedback here would be enough. My suggestion was to allow skinning or color customization so as to not piss off the people used to the OG skin. Based on Patrick's feedback (and me reading between the lines) I'm not sure if that is doable.

So, thoughts?

Image

Post

Lbdunequest wrote: Sat Feb 17, 2024 5:21 pm This synth has a nice sound, but if Tal made some additions i wonder why he didnt add another envelope.
Concerning emulations the question always is: how much additions can be added without loosing the original character of the instrument. Keeping one env but with more stages is a nice compromise I think.

Post

Chris-S wrote: Sat Feb 17, 2024 6:12 pm
Lbdunequest wrote: Sat Feb 17, 2024 5:21 pm This synth has a nice sound, but if Tal made some additions i wonder why he didnt add another envelope.
Concerning emulations the question always is: wow much additions can be added without loosing the original character of the instrument. Keeping one env but with more stages is a nice compromise I think.
The reason I bought Ph⍺ is because it doesnt sound like the original - it sounds better. ⍺Juno's were pretty bad sounding synths. I am all for emulations-with-extras including cleaning up the sound but retaining the positive aspects of the sound character. I am for progress.

Post Reply

Return to “Instruments”